Interesting comments by Penn state coach on Allar

I read somewhere that imagine Allar if he played for Ohio State with their offense and receivers, and imagine if Howard played for Penn State with their offense and lack of receivers. Would we have a different National College Championship. Interesting

 

Oh how you change with the wind. The goal post moves back, and forth. The whole thing is to make the SB, but somehow when it comes to Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen somehow that changes for many of you. LoL it makes me laugh.

 

Exactly what I was getting at, and even in the NFL it would take time. So you best dang well know the type of Qb you have gotten is the type you actually want before changing everything for them.

 

Steelers could implement the same offense for Will Howard and Drew Allar. They are pretty much carbon copies of each other.

 

Agreed.

 

WR makes QB makes HC makes QB makes WR

GOT IT

 

I posted that on here after the Steelers drafted Allar, Howard wouldn't win a championship with that Penn State roster.

 

howard did win a big 12 championship at kansas state in a totally different offense. he only had one year at ohio state to learn that totally different offense and won a national championship. he's very coachable. this is where i find it difficult to blame it all on coaching for allar. he was in that system for a few years.

 

I think a lot of people forget he played there.

 

I have to wonder who was advising this kid? He was the top QB prospect when he came out of high school. I am sure he had many choices of which program to commit to. Why would you commit to that program when there were several that had a better passing game and better scheme fit?

Also, after his junior year, he had a really good chance of being picked in the first round, or at worst, the second round. I dont care what position you play, if you are probably going to be picked in the first two rounds of the draft, you go.

 

Lots of upside

Great pick

 

Big difference between money in round one and two

You absolutely do not go a year early in round two if another year can get you into round one

For Allar the difference would have been about $30M if he had not gotten hurt

He made the right decision but with an injury

To the first paragraph one thing Franklin was is a good recruiter

 

I respectfully disagree. Allar is the poster child for why you don't stay in college for another year if you are going to go high in the draft. You are risking a lot hoping you don't have an off-year or in Allar's case an injury. I would go as far as to say if you have a very high likelihood of being drafted in the first two days of the draft, you go. I wouldn't consider going back for another year unless I thought I was going to be drafted in the 4th round or later.

 

You mean experts are now agreeing with everything I said about him before the draft?

Wow, it's almost like I knew what I was talking about.

It still doesn't guarantee his success, but I'm glad others are at least acknowledging his situation.

 

NO NATTY IN 25!!!

 

The age of no accountability

 

Hmm
Howard wasn’t there?!
Coincidence?
Hmm

 

Wonder why they didn’t win another national championship?

 

Glad they drafted him. McCarthy should get the best out of both Allar and Howard.

Looking forward to the OTA's, minicamp and then Training Camp

 

This video came out today.
He generalized some of the scouting reports for Mahomes, Herbert, Josh Allen, and Maye, then lined it up with Allar. Asked if the viewers would be able to distinguish which report was for Allar instead of one of the others.

He is very clear he isn't saying Allar will reach the level of the other 4 QBs, especially since Allar has even taken a snap in pre-season.
But he is pointing out how all of those QBs had scouting reports that sounded a lot like the virtues/concerns about Allar.
Maybe (3rd round) Allar is able to overcome his limitations, like those (1st round) QBs did.

 

Yes, some of the same concerns... but those other guys were all top 10 picks for a reason too. There was a lot more to get excited about with their game than with Allar's

One of my favorite draft sites called his weaknesses below:

• Short-area accuracy remains a legitimate concern; his ball placement on screens, quick slants, and check-downs grades out well below what NFL coordinators demand from their starting quarterbacks.
• Footwork is a constant battle, and when his base deteriorates under pressure he becomes a completely different thrower, reverting to flat-footed deliveries that sail on him or die at the receiver's ankles.
• Field processing and post-snap reads remain alarmingly raw for a three-year starter; he bird-dogs his primary target, and when the first look isn't there, the eyes drop and the play falls apart instead of working to the second or third option.
• Interior pressure wrecks him in a way that's unusual for a pocket passer this size; rather than climbing the pocket or stepping up into throwing lanes, he drifts backward and to the side, compounding the problem.
• The 2025 regression stripped away the benefit of the doubt: without Tyler Warren manufacturing easy completions underneath, Allar's big-time throw rate cratered to a career-worst 2.5% while his turnover-worthy play rate climbed, exposing a dependence on scheme and supporting cast rather than individual growth.

Essentially the short area accuracy and the footwork go hand in hand. You coach the awful footwork out of him, and the short area accuracy should improve. I am not saying its 100% going to be fixed, but its at least a coachable item. The interior pressure thing sucks too. Instead of climbing the pocket he Kenny Pickett's his way out to the side. That is MAYBE coachable, but a hard habit to break. I don't know if he doesn't trust himself, or if he just has bad instincts or feel for the position. The field processing thing sucks too. Its coachable too... but also very difficult to improve at. There are a LOT of areas that need to improve simultaneously for him to even be a viable starting QB in the NFL. My best bet is that he needs a redshirt year to break down the issues and build it back up as a more solid base.

The differences between Allar and Howard are pretty real. Both are big bodies, but Howard only has an NFL average arm while Allar has a big arm (even by NFL standards). Both have some mechanical issues in their throwing (Howard's is more his weight transfer, while Allar is the footwork). Howard is more accurate and a better processor, both by a good amount. Both are big guys who are decent enough runners, but won't be big time runners in the NFL. Honestly, both are long shots, but I think their ceiling is pretty similar. Allar's could be slightly higher, but not much. Howard's floor is much higher than Allar's.

I just hope if the season falls apart and we have a shot at a much better prospect in the top 15 picks, then we don't shy away from picking them because we have Allar. He's a hopeful project (just like Howard), but if we have a shot at trading into the top 10 and getting a high end QB talent, then we better do it.