Billy B...not 1st Ballot HoF. Will Ben also get screwed over?

HELLO? FRONTDESK?

 

I don't think Ben is getting into HOF next year. I'm not getting my hopes up. I think Brady is eligible in '28... he will get in before Ben. Probably Eli, too. Brady will get in quickly because he's got 7... Eli will get in because of his name.

 

yes.. while I think Ben should get in I could see his off field issues being a reason for not making it first year.

Billicheat not getting in is some Pete Rose type sh!t.

 

Sports writers are petty AF.

Listening to them talk about Baseball HOF voting is sickening... it is like they all have a God Complex.

 

That's true, but I get it when it comes to cheating.

There's a huge difference between not liking a player or coach and not voting for them for the HOF, compared to keeping cheaters out that put up numbers that others couldn't because of the cheating.

When people cheat at the game and are allowed to get away with it, not only are they making themselves much better. They make a ton of money off of the cheating, plus they are lessening the amount that their competitors get paid because of false performance, and denying other players and coaches from making the HOF that were just outside of the required voting because of the false numbers they put up that skew the arguments and create inflated standards to get in.

 

It is true that Mannings and Brees' records and stats in dome conditions vs outside is something that goes against them. I myself am not disputing that. What I am disputing is that whether or not they were dominant as a whole.


As is the case, Players dont have the right to decide where they want to be drafted. Manning was going to Indy or San Diego given his talents and Drew Brees' did win CPOY in San Diego before his potential career ending injury.



In short?! Players must be judged based in the manner in which they perform. Where they do so and how they do so is laregly irrelevant.

 

Yeah but, scandals aside, the baseball writers will specifically say that a player doesn't "DESERVE" to be first a ballot HOF'r and make him wait. It is BS in my book.

 

If Eli gets in before Ben, I'm officially done with the HoF.

 

If Steelers had won SBXLV, Ben would be a lock for first ballot. Losing that game, sealed his fate. Unfortunately, Steelers would never have a team that good again, for the remainder of his career... so Super Bowls were a pipe dream because of Patriots from '11 to '18 and Chiefs from '19-'21. He'll get in... but it may be until 2030 at the earliest.

 

I was done with the HOF long before the Bill Belichick nonsense. For me, Jerry Kramer waiting basically since time immemorial was unacceptable. Why?!


Up until his retirement, he was the only player from the NFLs 50th Anniversary Team not inducted; a list that has many players that one can argue are on the Mt. Rushmore of their position. Everyone else is in. He wasnt prior to him being voted in.


As I saw it, that was both negligence and disrespect.

 

This.


If a QB doesnt have the individual accomplishments, dude better have won a lot of Rings. Big Ben only has two. Even worse, he played the worst ever in his first while the second was due to the greatest catch in Super Bowl history.


Not very convincing arguments to get him in.

 

What???
LoL.
He is top 10, and higher in every Qb stat that matters, and He still holds individual Qb records . What the F**k do You people want.
2 SB wins. Been to 3 SBs.
9th in all time passing TDs
7th in all time passing yards. 5th in all time wins. LoL. Yeah He doesn't have the numbers. LoL

 

Ben likely won't get in on his first year of eligibility. I'd bet the amount of $$$ I paid for my most expensive bass that he does not get in next year.

Ben won't be inducted in '28 either... because that will be the Tom Brady show.

 

I agree, its a judgement by awards and statistics. However, just my opinion, i know its not the way it is;

We may look at statistics as a measure but that doesn't necessarily mean better. I think Ben and Brees and the other are in the same statistical ballpark where a good judge (in a less bureaucratic world) has to look at what each had to work with, how they handle pressure, basically watch their whole body of work, etc…do the judges do that? Ben was a tougher Qb than most of his contemporaries. Terry stats wise is below a number of his contemporaries but we know who the best Qb’s really are.

 

Who has better commercials?

 

It isn't irrelevant. Particularly in the case of a quarterback where the ball flies through the atmosphere under varying conditions and the grip of the ball itself is affected by weather and temperature. To say otherwise is not fully understanding the unique position that NFL quarterback is and the conditions it is played under. The field conditions also affect the timing of routes and the weather can hurt the receivers ability to catch the ball.

Don't tell me that playing in a couple inches of snow or in a downpour with 35 mph winds is the same as playing in a dome. It's not. Not even close, and that why it has to be taken into account. It doesn't diminish what quarterbacks do that play in great conditions, but it is always a factor and people need to be able to judge the difference accordingly.

The players can't control where they play, although Mannings seem to be able to control where they play. Quarterbacks that play in warm weather and fair weather divisions also have advantages statistically.

It is up to us, the people that watch them play, that are able to disseminate information and make the determination about things like that.

 

I would say winning 2 SB's makes you lock, a lot of great QB's haven't even won 1.

 

Things I like about Eli:

• Beat the Pats 2x (**** the Pats!)
• The undercover video where he pretended to be a walk-on in college was funny

It's good that he won 2x SBs. Probably that will get him into the Hall.

Made the playoffs in 6/17 seasons. He didn't win a playoff game in any year where he didn't win the SB.

 

THOSE TWO WINS (twins) vs cheats is BEST (yes he didn't do it alone)
fk tomnbill

 

Peter King once said SB are nice to have but would not hold it against a player if they weren't in one when it came time for a vote.

 

Lynn Swann may have something to say about the greatest catch in Super Bowl history

 

If Santonio Holmes doesn't make that catch, Pittsburgh loses that Super Bowl.


I am not diminishing Lynn Swanns Super Bowl X performance by any means. That said, Santonio's catch was literally in the closing seconds of the game.

 

I said largely. In addition, in the voters eyes, it is.


Moreover to the point and, again, what the voters care about is consistency of dominance. How that dominance is earned is irrelevant for the results are what matter. Peyton's statistical dominance was and somewhat is unbelievable.


Truth be told, I doubt any of us will see that level of pure raw QB ability like Peyton's ever again. He is what I would classify as a "Sui Generis" talent; a true prodigy.

 

Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms and Eli Manning all don't agree.

Steve Young only made one and he is enshrined in Canton Ohio. Kenny Stabler also only has one and is in as well (took a long ass time though).


Again, Super Bowl Rings alone won't be enough.