2025 Redraft.....hmmm

Redrafting first two rounds of 2025 NFL class: 64 new picks - ESPN

Not quite sure about this although I will say it's tough to rate a pick that is on a pathetically losing team. But the defense wasn't their problem. In fact, it was very good.


21. Pittsburgh Steelers
Original pick: Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
New pick: Mason Graham, DT, Michigan

It was a toss-up between Harmon and Graham because fortifying the defensive line is still the best use of the Steelers' pick. Though Harmon made a noticeable difference when healthy, Graham, a PFWA All-Rookie team selection, would have been a slight upgrade after starting 17 games for the Browns. He had seven tackles for loss and 49 total tackles this season. -- Brooke Pryor

 

Another site suggested this guy.

Maybe McCarthy can pick him up in FA in a few seasons?

 

Well of course we should have picked Graham over Harmon. Which is why Graham was picked #5 overall, and Harmon was picked #21. And we also should have picked Brady in the 5th.
As far as picking up Dart, just glad we didn't draft the QB everyone said we were thinking about in the first.

 

I'm mixed on Harmon.
But in his defense, the 1st year is usually finding out that "In shape for college" is not the same as "In shape for the NFL."

I would also have to say that Brooke Pryor is a bit on the lazy side.
Her "analysis of every Steeler signing" was late and incomplete. A lot of her stuff is.

Grahm did play 17 games but I'm not as sure about his ceiling, Harmon's seems higher.
I did give the Harmon selection a C or D for the year, mostly for missing a lot of time.

 

Derrick Harmon is fine. With him, Pittsburgh's Run Defense improved. Without him, Pittsburgh's Run Defense suffered.


Derrick is the least of my concerns among the young players. He will be fine.

 

Edit: Nevermind. I didn't realize you were quoting the text from the article.

 

I liked Dart, a lot.

 

The eristic pick Derrick Harmon
The contrarian pick .Any other.

 

Wait the guy that went at number 5?

 

I'm happy with the Harmon selection. He just needs to be able to say on the field.

 

Derrick Harmon was an excellent pick. He has elite power, and has unique movement skills and quickness for a man his size.

Harmon being on/off the field was the biggest factor in the performance of the run defense.

He flashes incredible strength and power, but also has a very good motor and the quickness to chase the play rather than giving up on it.

In the game against the Lions, Harmon rag dolled All-Pro Penne Sewell a few times and won that head-to-head matchup. You just don't see an All-Pro player like Sewell being tosses like that or embarrassed like that very often.

I think he is going to have a great career with the Steelers.

Here's his performance against the Lions:

Here are a few highlights from his rookie season:

 

I rated Ward, Dart, and Shough as the top three quarterbacks in the draft.

I knew they weren't going to be able to move up to the first pick of the draft for Ward.

I think Dart has the makings of a very good quarterback and was hoping they would make a move for him. He has huge upside and they wouldn't have had to give up as much to get him.

Tyler Shough was the guy I hoped they would take a shot at if they didn't get Dart. Near the end of the season, it is looking like the Saints found their quarterback.

 

As I always say let's wait, and see. Too many guys have great 1, or 2 seasons. Also we can't draft a guy that was already gone.

 

Bold Prediction: Neither Dart nor Shough play well this upcoming season.

 

Remember, last season Dart lost a wide receiver phenom in Nabers and never got to play with him.

Dart was doing well and making plays, and then they lost their starting running back Cam Skattebo.

Dart was a rookie with literally no weapons to help him. I don't know how the new coaching staff is going to do or how long it will take to learn and implement the new offensive system, but I think Dart may do a little better than you think he will.

Shough really came on late last season. A second year in Moore's offense with the head coach controlling and mentoring him should help. I really think he has some talent and showed he was understanding the mental aspects at the NFL level. The Saints added Etienne at running back and Noah Fant at tight end. They probably add a WR in the draft, so a few more weapons to work with.

I think both players will be better this season because I really think they both can play.

Of course there are factors that can change that, but I like both players.

 

Early returns on Harmon were great. I think DT/DE types in a 3-4 are a really hard position to be successful at right away. We've had some great ones, but even Aaron Smith, Cam Heyward, Keisel, etc. all took a couple years before becoming the beasts they were. It is also a position that you can have longevity into your mid 30's. Keisel was an impactful starter until 35. Aaron Smith could've gone that far, but he got hit with the injury bug starting at 33. Was still a slated starter at 35 before injury ending his career. Heyward looks like he's trying to play until he's 40. He's balling. At 22 years old currently, there's no reason to think that Harmon could be a high end starter for well over a decade.

 

The other thing about Harmon is his versatility. They are able to use him all along the line of scrimmage. He can play in multiple spots and in multiple techniques and do well. You just can't teach the type of power and quickness he possesses. Plus, everything he did in his rookie year was with him missing that much time and not playing at 100% because of injury.

As you said, it takes time to really adapt completely to the NFL level and learn what it takes to be a pro and what to add to your game to make a bigger impact. He is going to get better.

He seems like he is going to be a foundational player for over a decade, but with all the money that's in the game today many players are smartly investing their money and checking out early. It's really hard to know how long of a career any player will have in today's game.

I hope he continues to develop and becomes a dominant force for the defense for a long time.

 

A redraft is about a player that would look better than the player the team drafted. Would Graham look better on the Steelers DL? I would think so. Over 700 snaps vs 400ish for Harmon. 49 tackles vs 28.

 

So if I had the choice between Graham and Harmon, I would take Harmon.

Here are Graham's stats: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrahMa00.htm

Here are Harmon's stats: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarmDe01.htm

Remember, Harmon only played in 12 games and only started 8 games. Graham had more than double the starts Harmon had as he started all 17 games.

Graham had more tackles, but Harmon had more juice in the pass rush as he projected to have 4.3 sacks over a 17-game period to the 0.5 sacks Graham had. That while playing in a different system with some different responsibilities.

I loved Graham and Harmon going into the draft and hoped we would get one of them. It's not like you could go wrong with either player, but Harmon has shown some dominant traits that I can't wait to see fully develop. He has only started eight NFL games and his potential is crazy.

 

I learned a new word today and it does fit one of our posters

I doubt I will actually ever use this word


eristic
/əˈristik/
Eristic is an adjective describing
a contentious or argumentative style focused on winning a debate rather than finding the truth, often using faulty reasoning (specious arguments).

 

Our DEs played way differently with A, Smith time, and Heyward time. A whole different 3-4. One was to occupy, and take up positions, and the other was to attack. If A. Smith was graded correctly, I believe He should be in the HOF.

 

I agree, but think it's silly, JMO, to make it a redraft with out still picking where You picked. We can't just throw away draft order, and go willy-nilly.
All I'm saying is if We can redraft, it shouldn't be a player that won't even be there when we pick. It should only be a player that was still there at that pick. Sorry if I'm being too stubborn. LoL

 

If you look at the writeup in the OP Graham was available at pick 21 in the redraft.

 

Ok, well my bad, I seemed to have missed that. I apologize.