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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by THREE RIVER SHIVER, Jan 16, 2026.

  1. MojoUW

    MojoUW Well-Known Member

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    Those are all really solid points.

    For me, and I think you are not too far away from this, the entire KP debate never goes to the root question. I really don't care about Tomlin and Canada's coaching decisions regarding KP. The fundamental issue is that the Steelers and others missed on their scouting of KP.

    KP just wasn't a first round QB. He is a mid round guy that you hope can hang out on your roster for a bit and then develop into something useful. The team just bungled that initial evaluation. Everything else flows from that.
     
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  2. pczach

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    :lolol:

    The difference is Rudolph has had a lot of years and multiple chances to do something with it. He has mostly been with the Steelers and his chances have come while being with the same team and having a full understanding of the offense.

    Rudolph got a couple chances to be the guy. All he had to do was beat out Duck Hodges when Ben was out and couldn't do it. He got his last chance to start before Pickett even finished his second season. That was Pickett's last game as a real starter for a team. The game they started Rudolph over him and then rode him through the playoff loss.

    You just aren't seeing everything a quarterback is capable of when his last start is before he even completes his second season.
     
  3. pczach

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    To your point. Even if Pickett does become a starter again....unless he becomes a very good starting quarterback, his team is always going to be looking for the quarterback with a higher ceiling to replace him. It's the nature of the beast with guys that aren't ridiculously talented. They have to be great for teams not to look for the next, more talented quarterback.
     
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  4. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    If You can stay in the NFL, You will get better if you work at it, until your body starts betraying you, you are totally correct, but the problem is how much better, and I can't really see a guy like Pickett getting enough better that his lack of what he doesn't have will be not a factor.
    You are correct guys like Purdy, Brady, and even Montana didn't have the strongest arms, or measurables, but they had the quick process, and knowledge pretty dang quickly so they didn't have to have all of that other measurables, and they got better. A guy like Pickett has shown none of that, so while I do think He will get better, I don't think it will ever be enough outside of a backup.
     
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  5. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    But he actually did beat out Duck. Not once, but 3 times.
    He beat him out as a starter, and got hurt, they played Duck, and then they brought Mason back too quickly, and Duck took his place only to then have Mason beat him out of the spot again, and then he beat him out again when they decided to keep him, and let Duck go. So he actually beat Duck out 3 times.
     
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  6. pczach

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    I don't think he really beat him out. I think the team wanted Rudolph to get the starting position more than Rudolph really earned it. In other words, if it was just close to an even battle, Rudolph was getting the nod.

    Rudolph was never able to run with it and give anyone a reason to think he could be the guy.

    At least that's my opinion of the situation. They wanted Rudoph to be the guy at the time.
     
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  7. bleednblackngold

    bleednblackngold Well-Known Member

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    Gruden raves about every QB he analyzes. I remember when he said Jake Plummer was going to be the next Joe Montana
     
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  8. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    I’ll be honest, every time I see Skylar play in preseason, I wonder why he isn’t our #2. He always seems to move the ball and looks really calm out there on the field.

    Rudolph has given us zero big wins when we needed it. He tied the lowly Lions, couldn’t beat the Bears last year, came up short in a playoff game… He just doesn’t have it.

    I really want to see what Howard has got…even if is just slightly above average, but he could give us some Brock Purdy type production … that might be enough if the Defense is playing at a high level.
     
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  9. Trafalgar

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    Rudolph is only still her because the Steelers are drunk on familiarity, everything they do is about comfort and familiarity, which is why they're stuck in treacle.
     
  10. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    What I said has nothing to do with me thinking Mason is all that. I was just stating what happened. I believe he is nothing but a backup. Although I did think He was the best Qb on the team when Trubisky, and Pickett was ahead of him. I'm also a fan of seeing what Howard has got.
     
  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I'm only saying what happened. I don't believe Mason should be our staring Qb.
    I can think a player is the worst player in the NFL, but that doesn't change what has happened. The only time I thought Mason was the best Qb on the team was when it was Him, Trubisky, and Pickett.
     
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  12. MeanJoeBlue

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    A player who had a major concussion (Ravens game, still inactive a week later for Chargers) was replaced when, a month later, he received a blow to his unprotected head (Browns game) and was having trouble the following week (Bengals).
    That is a pretty important detail to gloss over.
    (Think about how long it took Crosby to return to form when repeated head blows caused persistent problems.)
    Ignoring that would be like claiming Ben couldn't beat out Rudolph OR Duck that season, and omitting that Ben had a season-ending injury.
    When both were healthy, Rudolph was better than Duck.
     
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  13. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We want in so we can bark to go out again

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    I’m assuming you missed the fact they have an entire new coaching staff
     
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  14. forgotten1

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    This isn't the first reading this from you and I can only expect to read it more often
     
  15. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We want in so we can bark to go out again

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    I’m here to help those who are a step behind
     
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  16. Trafalgar

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    And it made no differnce Rudolph is still here...
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    With the signing of Joesph-Day the Steelers have no comps for 2027 as things stand now.

    Maybe they really do believe in Howard.
     
  18. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    Or, gulp, they like one of the QBs in this year's class for development... With McCarthy on board it's really tough to say what they are thinking.
     
  19. Mashburn

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    I just wish we would have seen Howard play.
     
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  20. Busman

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    Agreed. He's an unknown at this level and we have seen nothing of him so far. All we have is how he played in college and perhaps some good feedback from coaching and of course what Chucky has said about him which does not weigh heavily imho. I guess we are going to find out sooner then later what we have in Howard
     
  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Wouldn’t be surprised if they like someone like Allar or Nuss but nabbing one is no sure thing to be basing strategy on.

    Ty will likely go in the first so hopefully they arent thinking of him.
     
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  22. Steelpens65

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    Arod endorsed Howard also
    On Pat Mcafee show
     
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  23. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Nuss or Allar weren’t as good as Howard in college
    Arod had nothing but good things to say about Howard
     
  24. Busman

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    To me that is an endorsement :)
     
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  25. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’m a huge Howard fan, believe in him but the Steelers still have shown interest in both Allar and Nuss.

    And someone being better in college has little to nothing to do with who will be a better pro.
     
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