Combine 2026

Seems like a fine young man, but he will be long gone by pick 21

https://www.nbcsports.com/watch/nfl...emon-talks-relationship-with-amon-ra-st-brown

 

It's weird too because his 40 time wasn't even bad or unexpected. He's an excellent player that plays faster than his time and wins with routes. He's still going way early. If he doesn't, its better for us, because I'd take him in a heartbeat.

 

First round or not, I still think there's 8-9 guys in next year's draft that have a better chance than Allar at being a starter... Idk. Non first round QB's have less than a 4% chance of developing into a long term starter. For other positions like OG, its 30%. ILB is 40% in the second and like 25% in the third. You build your franchise with 2-4th round picks. When you're hitting here, your team becomes so deep in regards to having good quality starters all over the field. If we didn't have a developmental QB in the system already, maybe... but we already do. I don't think the upside is there just because he has a really awesome arm. I'd be pretty against Allar unless its the last pick of the 3rd round, and I'd still be pretty meh on it. Part of the apprehension is due to thinking Allar is a trash prospect, but a lot of it is due to wanting to improve this team in other areas rather than buying a lottery ticket on Allar.

 

You have to understand they would have gone in the first round this year but decided to go back to college. Next year most of these QB's have to come out because they will be out of college eligibility. Dante Moore would have been the #2 overall pick in the draft this year but he passed that up to stay in college.

 

Damn, your team was straight ass

 

That's why I gave you a dislike earlier some accounts on X looking for clicks making fun of him.

 

Most people can see what Schefter is doing got the memo from Tate's agent to try and spin it, but if he's more of a 4.5 guy it will probably drop him some like you said could be in play for the Steelers.

 

I mean the odds of them hitting on all three of those third round picks probably aren't high, let McCarthy earn that money and develop a QB like Allar. I'm not that interested in those 6'1 QBs like Nussmeier and Simpson, at least Allar is built for the AFC North.

 

But there were also guys in this draft who before the season were projected to be first round picks like Klubnik, Allar, and Nussmeier.

 

So again, 40 times are nothing more than theater. Wide Receivers don't need 40 times as much as Corners. Speed helps but only in limited opportunities; two or three times a game at most.


Better way to measure a Wide Receiver is the 3 cone, short shuttle, 10 yard split, broad jump and vertical jump for a pure testing perspective.


Other drills are nothing more than what was shown on tape; use it as confirmation or check back in the tape to see what was missed.


In short?! Carnell Tate didn't do anything to hurt himself per his draft position. He is fine.

 

I disagree to a point it could drop Tate from being in the top 10, part of the reason why JaMarr Chase went top 5 because he ran a 4.3.

 

I mean, we're not drafting any of these guys for their brains.... QB is about the only position where that matters truly. Football IQ, character, ability... That's all we really need to see.

 

The booing actually helped Beck in the long run. He had a very good showing despite being the only player in the entire combine being relentlessly booed. The NFL Network announcers were saying that the GM's that were there were impressed how he shrugged off the hostile crowd and still did very well in the throwing drills. He had a built in excuse if he had a poor combine because of the crowd but the fact that he did well facing adversity will move him up in a lot of teams draft boards.

 

This simply isn't true.


JaMarr wasn't drafted because of running a 4.3. JaMarr was drafted because he was the most complete WR to come out since Julio Jones. Most importantly, JaMarr was drafted that high due to his mastery of not just winning at the LOS but also his Football IQ, Coverage Recognition, Route Running and Versatility were already Top 10 (at worst) heading into the 2021 NFL Draft. His Rookie Season is merely proof of his capabilities.


40 times are overrated as a whole sans some extreme exceptions. Xaiver Worthy is an excellent example of this; the record holder for the 40 Yard Dash with nothing to show for it despite playing with a Top 10 All Time QB.

 

I guess it all depends on what is available. I would rather draft Thieneman or Kilgore with the 2nd or 3rd pick. This is not to say I would be totally against Downs in the 1st. IMO, there isn't a huge divide between these 3 safeties.

If Styles or Peter Woods is there I would rather select one of them over Downs. My outlook could change in the next hour. Haha

I am more excited with this draft than last year. I think it is because Tomlin is gone so the draft matters now. With Tomlin it didn't matter how the draft turned out. Everyone knew with Tomlin you only get mediocrity.

 

... except that, again, playing as a Safety is a lot more based on the abilities they possess at the position than it is the tools of the position. Downs is plenty fast, wicked smart and hyper active around the football. His greatest asset though is easily his processing abilities; both pre snap and play recognition.


The same people who are railing on Downs were the exact same people who railed on Jalen Pitre circa 2022. Pitre has turned out pretty damn good and I would wager that Downs will be better than Pitre was.

 

Name another that went top 5 without running a 4.3? The Jets took Keyshawn Johnson number one 30 years ago, but I doubt ever happens again.

 

I will give Tate credit for at least running the forty, Boston and Lemon are healthy and chose not to run.

 

Tate benefited from Smith on the other side too. I think overall this is a fairly weak draft class. They only rated 9 players as first round worthy. So from 10 on down most years they would have been 2nd round or below. Not saying there won't be any good players but not cream of the crop guys that will set the league on fire.

 

They never rate more than 10-12 as first round worthy. To say that not being rated first round worthy means they would have been drafted in the second round is disingenuous. It means they would have been drafted in the second half of the first round most other years.

 

disingenuous?

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=56e4...ZWN0cy1maXJzdC1yb3VuZC1ncmFkZXMtY29tcHM&ntb=1

Ask most NFL talent evaluators or draft analysts and they will tell you that there are usually 15-20 ‘true’ first-round picks in any draft class. Former New York Giants general manager Jerry Reese would annually put the number around 15.

What is the meaning of ‘true’ first-round picks? Those would be players who are Round 1 picks on the draft board of every NFL team or in every grading system. Players who basically everyone agrees are worthy of selection in the first round of the draft.

So, how many ‘true’ first-round picks are in the 2023 NFL Draft class? Matt Miller of ESPN judges that by his grading system there are 19 players with first-round grades.