Steelers drama from former players

I'm a product of the same era, yet I am not going to assume consent and I am certain she was too drunk to give it.

 

What doesn't add up? I agree with you about the other woman, but unless you are going to focus on the DTF tag, which is crap, the facts do not back your side.

 

No games, I just gave You a real life example, straight from my own experience with sober women, while I was drunk. Guess what, I didn't try saying they raped me after the fact because while drunk I made a bad decision that I was so drunk I couldn't remember anything, and woke up the next morning naked with a naked woman who clearly took advantage of me. I like most humans chalked it up as a bad decision by me for putting myself in that situation, with a woman that could, and did take advantage of me. Now in Ben's situation they were both drunk. So apparently by you, neither could be held responsible for giving concent.

 

Doesn't mean she wasn't

 

Almost every Football player will settle. You can do it whether you are guilty , or not cheaper, and the people, and their lawyers/representation know this. You can literally miss a whole season of football trying to fight it, which will cost you more than the settlement, get behind the 8 ball, maybe lose your job to someone else, and they can drag it on forever, or you can bite the bullet, and do the cheaper thing.....settle.

 

Some people know what they're looking at and also know what they are talking about when they are discussing football and doing breakdowns. Many don't.

The ex-professional players understand the game in a way that most never will. They have seen everything and can identify anything when they see it. Even pros get fooled by pre-snap looks the defense gives to an offense to disguise what they are really doing, and need to see what happens post snap to identify the scheme. But they know what they are talking about in general. Even then, some of them understand the X's and O's, but even they don't always have the greater understanding of the big picture like a good coordinator would.

Other people do videos and write articles with barely more than the knowledge of a pee-wee football level player. It's embarrassing...and even worse, they actually get people to click on their content and they make money off of those people that don't know any better and then they go to message boards and regurgitate the crap they got off of these clowns like it's gospel.

Try not to get so jaded that you believe the nonsense some spout about all athletes being jerks. That isn't the way it is. Many of these guys even come off as jerks sometimes because there is always someone coming at them with an agenda. They either want something from them, they come at them to irritate and annoy to illicit a negative response, or they are trying to get them to slip up so they can bury them with a quote or divulge something that was given in confidence that it would never be repeated. The players get jaded and protective of themselves and their families because of the slime media people that also coexist in their world. Sometimes they act above it all and aloof because they have been burned by so many media types that it's a defense mechanism. These players and coaches have families that have to listen to all the crap that is said about them. They are well compensated, but it isn't always an easy life.

I am bowing out of further discussion on the subject in this thread. I have said my piece and given my reasons for my comments.

 

No....say it ain't so!

[Texans must have been too busy juggling the local masseuses]

 

Roethlisberger and his crew go the 20-year-old girl drunk. People tend to have a hard time remembering things clearly when they have been drinking. It is gross to go straight to accusing her of lying when the investigation made Roethlisberger and his crew look, at best, creepy as hell.

There was also no civil suit in the Georgia case, so why put herself out there in that way if she wasn't going after money?

Every team in the NFL employs bad guys. Every owner does. Dan Rooney was no exception. I don't know what Rooney would have tolerated. Neither do you.

 

It is DTF, and wearing a tag like that does not mean she is giving consent to every man who reads it. She might have worn it as a joke. Do you take everything you read on someone's t-shirt seriously?

Following around a celebrity, which is your interpretation of events, also does not give that celebrity consent to have sex with her. It could also be that he identified her as a target and made sure his crew went where she and her friends went that night.

It is funny to call other people naive given the positive assumptions you are making about Roethlisberger and Rooney in this thread.

I'm going to apologize up front if I am misreading anything you wrote in this post. You are suggesting a scenario that she went with him willingly with the intent to have sex, changed her mind, and he assaulted her. Even if she want to that bathroom on her own with the intent of having sex with him, that does not give him consent. She still has the right to say no. She is allowed to change her mind. That does not give him the right to force himself on her.

 

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I'm looking at this through many lenses. The lens of a father of a daughter is one. The lens of a reporter is another. The lens of a man who has friends who were the victims of predators is another.

I'm well aware that some girls are quite slutty. Even that doesn't give any man the right to force himself on her.

 

She can be interested and still decide to say no. I might have tried to pick her up, too, but I wouldn't have behaved the way Roethlisberger did that night on the way to getting that girl alone with him in that bathroom.

Did I misread the scenario you presented? I read that you think she went in with the intention of having sex with him, then changed her mind. That led to him pushing her, which is why she had abrasions later. If he did that, it was assault. If he had sex with her anyway after she said no, it was rape.

Again, I'm sorry if I misread the scenario you presented earlier and neither of us knows if that is exactly how things went down, but that possible storyline does not help Roethlisberger's cause at all.

 

Well.. maybe you were raped and you don’t want to admit it because it means someone had power over you and that isn’t a good feeling? Wouldn’t be the first time it happened to a man but most won’t press charged out of embarrassment.

What if she got pregnant or had an ummm STD (pun intended) that comes back to visit for the rest of your life?

 

because you keep pointing it out like it has something to do with what occurred.

 

I would call it, as I did call it, a bad decision by Me.