Who do we trade?

And yet not a single well thought intelligent response

So yes we should move on

 

Without you reposting the percentages, lets assume its roughly the same year to year. So his number of sacks has decreased dramatically in the past two seasons as hes hit his 30’s. What does that tell you?

 

projecting much? Lol

 

No it actually didn't start happening all the time till he almost broke the sack record , he only played part of 14 games, and every single player in the history of the NFL has a down year , here, and there, and even in his down year he still had 3 ints, 3 forced fumbles, 8 pass defensed, and 7 sacks. That's a career year for many players, and it was his down year

 

If you haven't seen it much than you don't know what it is or you haven't been watching.

You go find the numbers you seek and learn something instead of telling other people they don't know what they're talking about without even understanding the technique or what to look for.

 

It tells me that you want everyone to believe the BS your spouting without you doing any homework or understanding the material being discussed.

 

I understand the material fine. To me it looks like age is catching up with him. It looks like it in the games and its reflected in the stats. You believe what you want to believe. Why don't you stick your nose somewhere else.

 

When did i say that he doesn't know what he's talking about? If your going to get into the conversation don't make stupid accusations.

 

You're the one that doesn't know how often TJ Watt is chipped. You said you didn't see much of the chipping happening but if you understood what a chip is you would already know how often it happens. You also continue to make a judgement on Watt's performance without knowing how often Watt is being chipped, yet still claiming he is declining.

They aren't stupid accusations. They are exactly the uninformed claims you are making while you're advertising that you don't know what you're talking about because you say you don't see Watt getting chipped. To say something that uninformed tells everyone that you don't know what you're talking about or you don't watch the games. Either way, it shows you don't know what you are talking about and those are the only two choices based on your own words.

Maybe you should stop calling people nuts or saying people are making stupid accusations when you are the one that is uninformed and doesn't know what chipping an edge pass rusher is. Stop acting like you know when you don't have a clue.

 

Hes been chipped for most of his career. But his sacks are going down anyway. He was doubled more often before as well. Its happening less this season cause teams are finding they can handle him with a single blocker. Commentators have mentioned that this season as well. It looks like hes on the decline, look at edge rushers stats after 30, their sack numbers almost always go down. Do i have to spell it out? Yes I want TJ to have a resurgent year, i hope you guys are right, but it seems like a long shot based on his age and the way hes looked, specially this past season. Maybe the new DC can get more production out of him, at least get his sack number up a bit.

 

he beat frequent chipping and double teams in 2021, his record setting year. I remember that. Thats what made him so good. I dont know what to tell you. I hope he has a resurgent year also. But i wouldn't count on it.

 

You're wrong. He isn't facing single blocks more as you are trying to state.

Here's an NFL.com article with Next Gen Stats showing that Watt has been the most chipped player. He was chipped 149 times in 2024, and followed that up with being chipped 134 times in 2025.

https://www.nfl.com/news/the-secret...d in Pittsburgh, Watt was,up with 134 in 2025.

The 149 chip blocks he faced in 2024 was the most by anyone since at least 2018. His 134 in 2025 were still the most in the NFL. Watt entered the NFL in 2017. Watt has been the player that gets the most attention using the chip block to try to slow him down.

It is now up to the defensive coordinator to figure out ways to minimize that with design and possibly moving him around so offenses have a harder time identifying where Watt is, where he is coming from, and hopefully finding more players that can take advantage of all the extra attention Watt gets to make offenses pay for using blocking assets on Watt. Not enough players have been taking advantage of the one-on-one blocking they are facing nearly every pass play because Watt gets the attention that he does.

Sack numbers are great, but the only thing that really matters is how well the defense plays overall. If the defensive players other than Watt can hurt offenses enough, the chip rate against him may come down.

If teams continue to chip Watt at historic rates and the defense starts to dominate without his sacks going up...so be it. It just means he's doing his job and earning what he's getting paid to do. He makes everyone else on the team better.

 

The TJ Watt debate reminds me of the James Harrison debate when TJ was first drafted. James was on his way down and we had just recently also drafted Bud Dupree. 2 young OLBs and an aging fan favorite.

 

i think we first need to see what an innovative DC can do with watt and the rest before i'll pass judgement on any player. it could all look a lot different this year.

 

I didn't want to get Heyward a third or fourth or fifth contract...whatever he is on. I wanted to trade him 5 years ago. But you and others pointed out that some guys have a TON of value not reflected in stat lines.

Watt, in addition to distracting the offense from whatever they actually want to do, is also a critical mentor to the other OLBs. I strongly believe that Herbig and Sawyer would NOT be the players they are without Watt.

In terms of on the field, if people go back and watch, you can see that when singled up and in an actual third and long pass rush situation, Watt still has juice. He can and did still make offenses pay. He just wasn't DPOY good.

 

There are some players that are so great that even if they are only 90% of what they were at their peak, they are still as good as anyone in the game. Offensive coordinators aren't scheming him with more blocking assets than anyone else in the NFL because he can't play or isn't very good.

He has also had the highest amount of chip blocks against him while playing less games than the other players. There were 134 chip blocks against Watt this season and he missed three games and played hurt after he came back. Imagine how many chips he would have faced if not for the injury. The number would have crushed the total of 149 he faced in 2024 when it was the highest number that they have seen.

He influences games and the players around him in multiple ways.

 

was trying to find this back at this week 10 time remember seeing this during the season and yes there was the same discussion about Watt

yes it's a lot of money for him and as stated his stats are still pretty damn decent for a so called down year

It has also been said that others should be stepping up if TJ is getting so much attention
Something needs to be switched up to benefit.

I'm sticking with my surprise 1st rd 21 or trade back and a TJ Parker pick in April

 

That's the one I was talking about. I believe it was on Sunday night game. I was like there.....they confirmed everything I've been saying.

 

yep Charger game
sunday night
9:44 PM according to the clock in photo

 

So you believe he is good value as the 3rd highest paid edge? Cracks have appeared in Watt's game. Opponents rushing to his side gained 5.2 yds/att this past year. His sacks have dropped off, his pressure rate was lower than Herbig's. I'm afraid he is looking a lot like his brother at the end.

 

How many yards per rush when Harmon played?

How often did Herbig get chipped playing his spot?

Do you have those numbers?

We will find out a lot more this season if he isn't traded, but I suspect he still has tread on the tire.

 

The issue is if we don't lock Herbig in, he is gone after next season I believe?

The hard decision would be to sign Herbig now and trade Watt.

Unless they know TJ was hiding a serious injury and they know he will bounce back...then Trading Herbig would be beneficial in the long term.

 

I wasn't on here, but if I was, you'd have heard me saying the same things about Cam when he signed his 3rd contract (but I was pro his 4th...which was a pay cut).

Sadly, I don't think we can expect everyone to age like Cam. Who's a pretty big outlier re: aging curves.

It's too bad that people like "analysts" at PFF didn't know that chips existed until the year after Garrett got the DPOY even though TJ was better than he was in every way.

Garrett 100% deserved it this year though.

Hopefully the new DC can (1) try to scheme up ways to help TJ get chipped less and (2) devise some scheme to disincentivize offenses from having their lowest snap to throw times of the year against us.

If we can do these two things (not trivial), then I think we will see a resurgence of Watt (and probably even more growth from AH and NH).

 

and Myles Garret was chip blocked or double teamed 186 times in 2025. Why dont you mention that?

Also Watts chip block rate was among the highest in the league in his record setting year of 2021. While the new DC may get more production out of him this year than the Austin and Tomlin duo did, we are very likely not going to see big numbers from him anymore. He’ll be 32 when the season starts and has a long injury history. They have to give the young guys more playing time. It only makes too much sense.

If you think otherwise you’re wrong and being unrealistic.