Steelers drama from former players

I didn't think you did and I wasn't sure if I had missed something. Some misinterpretation perhaps

remember when people were fighting to keep dog tracks open?

 

I avoid L.A. like the plague so, I haven't seen their homeless problem first hand. I've seen the homeless here in San Diego, Portland, Seattle and, played a game my stepson calls "guess the species of the feces" when he lived in downtown San Francisco.

 

Are you tickled pink?




other than that

GO STEELERS

 

I totally agree with everything you said......except the Vick part. I'm a owner of many animals, and if I actually caught Vick doing what he did, he probably would never have went to trial, and I would have instead, but......, but I do believe if You have paid your debt to society, did Your time, I need to at least give You the benefit of a doubt that you changed. Otherwise what's it all for???
Everything else you said I one million times agree with.

 

The issue with Vick and paying his debt and changing his attitude that I have and Im sure others as well is that when the behavior he exhibited is talked about in great detail it becomes obvious that it wasn't mistaken behavior it was sociopathic. That is hard wired into an adult personality and isn't changeable, most times it gets hidden or suppressed until it breaks loose but it never goes away. So yeah he paid his debt, did his time and educates young players to the pitfalls of fame but the guy who strangled, beat, drowned, and electrocuted animals is still in there and it will show up.

I have one nephew who is the same age as my son, he is a really sweet kid in most circumstances but there are times Ive seen flashes where he could become like Dexter. I mean we love him, he is family but he is scary at times because he seems so detached about things. My sister has a few chickens for eggs and eventually food, most young kids around here would be attached to family chickens as sort of pets, my nephew could walk in to the coop, pick one out and chop its head off and have zero reaction to it. He is enthusiastic about keeping the rabbit population under control.

 

@Blast Furnace that reminds me of the Jerry Sandusky discussions we had on the board and the very strong reactions across the spectrum that we had on the board especially when Penn State tried to remove a lot of Paterno's legacy at the school when all the details came out.

 

At one point in time I had 6 strays/rescues/rejects/unwanted living in my house and she would come on telling me I should do more grrrrr

Plus they ruined a good song

I remember yelling at the TV during the National Dog Show when they said they would donate a dollar to some animal shelter for every bag of food bought “I am a ****ing animal shelter send the money to me”

Fortunately my vet gave me a huge break

Rant over back to our regularly scheduled discussion

 

Were you RED WITH RAGE?

Am i allowed to ask that?

 

Hold up.. so you can point out Peezy’s off field issues but Ben’s are off limits or easily refuted because he paid settlements after being accused?

 

Mostly.. yes.

My argument definitely is from a position of strength. One time.. maybe. Twice? Nah.. someone is living foul.

Ben.. “people grow, people improve, become a better person” That’s all well and good but the man admits he wasn’t a good teammate early in his career. Multiple sources talk about how terrible he used to be and how he has matured.

Its fine that you believe he isn’t the ogre he was accused of being by 2 women. This still doesn’t erase the fact that we have to question if he is or not.

I’m sorry but if you have to say you don’t believe someone was a rapist (twice) you already lost the high ground.

and I’m definitely not a 100% believe women type of guy. I had a friend spend a few months in Allegheny county downtown because his GF lied to her parents when they found out he was Black. Thankfully she finally admitted she lied.

What I’m not is 100% believe the athlete because I like him when he has 2 accusations. I would stop defending him the moment the second accusation happened.

I would like to believe that if you knew someone in real life and they were accused of rape you would defend them but the moment the second accusation happened you would more than likely question why it keeps happening to them.

 

You're trying to turn this into something else because your points don't hold up. Why are you trumpeting Porter's claims but ignoring the players defending Ben and telling others to go F themselves for the stuff they are saying? Oh that's right. Those people don't support your unsubstantiated claims.

Porter's comments started a conversation that pointed the media and anyone that would listen to unsubstantiated accusations of Ben's that were investigated. Ben was not charged in the incident.

Porter's claims were posted here. His claims were shouted with a bullhorn around the country. They were and are already being discussed. I didn't say that claims against Ben are off limits. I just made sure people knew that the credibility of Ben's accuser should be in question and that Porter was the only convicted criminal between the two.

Don't give me this crap about poor Porter's laundry list of verified offenses, guilty pleas, and bad judgement being off limits. I brought them up precisely because he is the one screaming to the media to hurt Roethlisberger. It matters what people that make accusations have actually done in their lives. There are reasons why Porter's credibility is in question.

You're one of the people supporting Porter. He's the guy that has been charged and convicted of breaking the law multiple times.

It was you who said "Joey has the experience needed to identify bad behavior."

That's your go to?

You think Porter is qualified to sit in judgement because he did bad things. If his past transgressions put him in a better place to sit in judgement, I guess you can scour prisons everywhere to seek out the worst of the worst inmates to find the pinnacle of judgement and wisdom to talk to your kids about what bad behavior is.

Are those the people you would seek out to council your children? Is that where you find truth?

No matter how hard you try to push your opinion, you are pronouncing someone as being guilty that has never been charged or convicted from the incident you insist was rape.

Innocent until proven guilty is the bedrock of our judicial system. If they had proof they would have charged him. There wasn't proof.

That's how the law works.

 

I prefer to pretend that these idiots don't have podcasts to make fools of themselves.

 

I take this girl's story with a grain of salt too. I have witnessed dozens of instances of women getting drunk and doing things the regretted when they sobered up. Not all of them south of the border either but, there's truth to the old saying, "What happens south of the border, stays south of the border".

 

For some reason you keep trying to make this about the law.

Its not about being charged or not.

Ben was suspended for 4 games for his conduct. He has a nick name. Whether you all want to admit it or not, Ben was not a good person and there are plenty of stories on why he had that reputation.

 

and yet, Ben paid settlements to both women.

and Rooney said this

"I have made it clear to Ben that his conduct in this incident did not live up to our standards," Rooney said. "We have made it very clear to Ben that there will be consequence for his actions, and Ben has indicated to us he is willing to accept those consequences."

 

And you keep ignoring the fact that the guy that is saying Ben was a bad teammate and a bad guy, considers himself a great leader and he's a bad teammate and a bad guy. It's just that nobody is saying it about Porter. Porter got suspended, thrown out of games, spit on people, went after others in bars and casinos, was part of an assault on someone with a group of men, was shot outside a bar in the early morning hours, fined three game checks by the NFL, etc, etc.... He also did it as a player and a coach. He's trash and then anoints himself as the guy that is going to sit in judgment of other players. He can go F himself.

That's all I have been pointing out. That's why it's bull$hit from Porter. Nobody is saying Ben was a saint or was a great person. You keep trying to say that people in this thread are. They are not.

This whole thing from Porter is also based on claiming Ben badmouthed Tomlin. That is a blatant lie. Ben said that he thought when a coach is in one place for so long that it might be best for the team and for Tomlin to start again somewhere else. He never questioned Tomlin as a person. He said he has been a great coach, and that he could be a great coach somewhere else but thought it might be time to try something else. That's it.

This is nothing more than a cheap shot at Ben Roethlisberger....period.

Porter's entire rant is based on a lie that he is making up to trash Ben. He hits on Harrison as well, but Ben was the much stronger focus of what he said. Harrison is the guy that has been saying a lot of things about Mike Tomlin even as a person, but Porter made sure he went after Roethlisberger first and foremost. He is trying to hurt a former teammate. That makes Porter an a$$hole for this entire situation.

Yeah, Porter knows how to be a great teammate alright. He is trying to hurt an ex-teammate and basing it on a made up lie about Ben bashing Mike Tomlin. Something Roethlisberger never did. It's a hit piece by a hypocritical jerk and nothing more.

 

This is going well

 

Wild take.

All three of Ben, Porter, and Harrison are mediocre human beings at best.

Incredible football players. All have a case for being remembered for their on field achievements for a long time.

All three’s desperate attempts to stay relevant and in the public eye with podcast and sports soap opera shows is sad.

I’m sorry that it hits so many in the feelings. Don’t meet your heroes on the far side of their careers on a podcast I guess? Dunno.

The Steeler I grew up idolizing and making my avatar here stuck a gun in his kids mouth. Almost certainly beat on his wife. He’s a piece of **** as person. Still my favorite Steeler of all time. But I’d never defend him about anything.

Very few of these guys or dudes in any pro sports are good people.

 

1. If there is no debt paid to society, then nobody should ever be let out of prison, and
2. He was raised around it, and as anyone can see, and has seen , if someone is raised around something it is way easier for them to do it naturally.
3. If I actually caught him doing it, I would have probably went to prison instead of him, but I personally believe people can change. I've seen it, and change isn't just you don't think about it anymore, change can also be you just don't do it anymore.
A alcoholic isn't changed because he never thinks about it again , and alcoholic is changed because even though he does think about it, he still doesn't do it. It that way for anything.

 

The difference is Roethlisberger was the only one of them just talking about football, not making personal attacks.

Some people don't want to see the difference.

Roethlisberger didn't say anything bad about Tomlin. Porter lied about what Ben said to create an opportunity to attack him personally, yet many are gleefully pounding on Roethlisberger and trying to prop up the credibility of Porter.

Also, there are a lot of great people in sports. Many are humble, regular people that just happen to play a sport at the highest level. I have a cousin that played for the Steelers.

There certainly are a greater percentage of entitled subpar humans in the sporting world that includes players and coaches as well, but please don't put everyone into that $hitbag.

 

You are correct that many folks who play sports are great people all day every day before, during, and after their playing careers. I'm sure your cousin was one.

In the most recent podcast back and forth nonsense, Porter does look worse than Ben. Harrison looks like a loudmouth jerk.

I divide these former athletes with podcasts into two buckets.

One bucket seems to put some work into it, watch film, make video breakdowns (i think JT O'sullivan does his QB school stuff as an example), and generally seem to take on a second career producing actual content for their outlet. This bucket I try and take some time and check out. I almost always learn something about football that I did not know before. That could be more a reflection on how much I have to learn....but nevertheless these folks are trying to distribute knowledge.

The other bucket, is basically the same as influencers. Off the cuff opinions backed up by not much of anything as they film and record themselves shooting the **** with their friends. I got friends. We talk about sports. We talk about life. I don't need to hear dudes I don't know or care about do the same thing. It is just confounding to me that anyone wastes their time on this bucket. From what I can tell...based on what is shared here and elsewhere...you don't learn anything unless you consider "The Real Retired House Husbands of the NFL" to be a learning experience. Honestly, I pretty much think anyone who makes this type of podcast or internet show to be an ego driven individual who can not bear missing out on people thinking they are "cool".

Anyways, that is a ton of words to waste on three individuals that are not worth it. Two are loudmouth jerks and one, in my opinion, is the worst kind of phony. But....I can and will watch highlights of all three of their playing careers for ever and ever.

 

I see you have no answer for the fact that she was too drunk to legally give consent, so you played this semantics game.

 

So have I, but that doesn't mean she is one of them or that even the freaky ones don't get the right to give or deny consent.