Will the NFL become the 'modern NBA'?

Its not only the size of the player that counts, its their aggressive, violent passion for the game that counts more. We have it here. Were bred to be violent aggressive, etc. eastern Europeans no so much, so i dont think they would take to American football like they do basketball. Maybe in a couple generations they will if they are bred like we are. So far, its not the case.

 

Also the training.

Most importantly, Joel's argument about superior genetics of Eastern Europeans sounds pretty suspect to me.

 

yeah i don't buy that as well.

 

They've taken to hockey and rugby, so i don't understand this argument.

 

those are not the same as football. Not the same intensity.

 

Yeah. Genetics doesn’t work like that.

 

There are times that I would condone "tanking".

When the Steelers ABSOLUTELY had to beat the Browns in the last game of the 2016 regular season. They had nothing to gain and nothing to lose. The Browns IDIOTICALLY were about to beat us and lose the 1st overall pick, but NOOOO, we had to come back and win in OT, handing them Myles Garrett on a freakin platter. I was so pissed. Use your head. They probably would've drafted Trubisky.

 

From what I heard, playing overseas you don’t always get paid on time. NBA money is ridiculous and it’s guaranteed. They will continue to come here and then go back in the offseason. The money in America is insane for superstar players.

 

NBA had its first exhibition in Israel in 1978.

NFL tried and failed with their Euro league about 15 years later.

I think kickers will continue to enter the NFL for obvious reasons but we aren’t going to see Luka or Jokic playing OLB or TE at high rates anytime soon.

Those guys love Soccer and Rugby too much.

Also, basketball and soccer are much easier to play as kids. Trying to get 22 guys together with equipment and technical training to play football is a heavy lift. At most you may see the occasional basketball player make the transition to TE like Antonio Gates or Allie-Cox but these are guys who couldn’t make it in basketball professionally.

No way a gifted basketball player picks football when they can get a guaranteed contract in the NBA and make 10X as much.

 

Whether or not the team in question can play as hard without the QB is irrelevant. The NFL is far too dangerous a sport to just go through the motions. Big men vs bigger men at a very high rate of speed; all collusion bassed.


Not giving full effort increases the chances of injury. Even if that isn't accounted for, some men who play that sport play mainly for pride. A Head Coach simply cannot go in front of a grown man's face, say "just give it 50% today" and expect that player to cooperate. This isn't even accounting for the fact that players who play on lost seasons are not just playing for their roster spots next season but also their families.


In the NBA, going less than 50% is encouraged. In the NFL?! Not a chance.

 

I think they would take to American football like they have taken to Boxing, and MMA. These are aggressive sports, right? Infiltrate the heavyweight division ( 201+ lbs ) Cruiser weight ( 190-200 LBS ) and light heavyweight class ( 175 lbs they have. Football is a heavy contact sport, these are fighting sports. So much for they lack aggression.

I am sorry to say the USA has been greatly diminished at the world stage here in the last 20 years in boxing's upper weight classes.


If anything those who moves on to the college level are getting paid, and pro's are getting Fugetaboutit $. Now do you think a poor kid will not try USA football under those with those options? Sports is a way to charge one's monetary class. Always has been.

Not everyone is built for soccer.

 

You don't get it. It is not who plays, but rather in upper level sports who can play. In general, I hope I do not offend anyone from the UK or France by saying this, their men are not cut for college level football as the overwhelming majority of them lack the physicality to do so.

Now the country's eastern europe nations has taken the NBA 3 of the best 5 players in the NBA were born there. This would seem like a foolhardy statement 20 years ago!

The eastern european players. Thier men are bigger, stronger, and rather athletic. The Eastern European man has dominated such sports wrestling and powerlifting. And took over tennis.

It not who plays but rather in upper level sports who can play.

 

Really,

A suduy shows thats

• Scientific Data: A study on grip strength found that residents of Northern-Continental European countries had higher strength levels compared to Southern Europeans.

Is height a gentics factor?


I think it is.


But hey, I am not doctor of genteics.

 

Height isn’t solely genetic. It’s largely genetic but a significant factor is linked to nutrition and other environmental factors in early childhood.

Grip strength is largely acquired. Like how manual laborers have big hands.

FWIW, I used to teach basic genetics.

 

Where are they Joel? Where are all these european guys in the NFL?

The NFL first tried to introduce football in 1989. Why didn’t we see an influx of talent like we have seen in the NBA?

Currently there are 17 international players. Most are from Australia or UK and Ireland.

https://operations.nfl.com/updates/...ational-player-pathway-program-class-of-2024/

This program has them coming to America because I doubt they can get the proper training overseas due to a lack of participation. You need a lot of bodies to play football. Give them a 100 yard field and more than likely they are going to play soccer or rugby.

 

Maybe he is just speaking from personal experience

So from that perspective who are we to argue

 

He sounds like that guy from Germany

 

That narrows it down to 83,644,258 people

Could you be more specific

 

Julius Welschof has been on the Steelers roster in what seems like forever. Guess he doesn't mind making PS money.

 

PS players make $200k to $300k a year

Plus a possibility of getting in the active roster

 

I don't think so. Mostly because of the math.

An NBA team puts 5 players on the floor at a time. They can only dress 13. They can only have up to 18 on the roster. Every player plays defense and offense. They might have an area that they are better in, but they still play both sides.

An NFL team puts 11 players on the field at a time. They dress 48 and can have 53 on the active roster. Players (other than extremely rare people) play either defense or offense.

The reason that I say it is a math problem is because of the affect of that 1 player you tank for. In basketball, you get that superstar and he is now 20% of the roster during most of the game. He can have an enormous impact. In the NFL, that player will be 9% of either the defense or offense and nothing for the other side of the ball. He can have a big affect, but only on one side of the ball and he still depends on quality play around him to be successful.

Both are team sports, but 1 individual in basketball can run away with the game. Basketball allows for individual play whereas football depends on a team effort far more than basketball.


IMO

 

Great. Maybe you and I could chat about CRISPR later. But height is partly genetic is it not? A reason why a man from Korea is shorter than a man from Serbia.

Now there are other factors such as nutrition and environment that play a role too. So does genetic inheritance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_human_height_by_country

I was using the example of grip strength to communicate a point. Why are most of the best powerlifters men of Eastern European, or Scandinavian descent?

The same reason why some of the better x - NFL players's sons are so good.

IMO, one group of people are in fact suited to play football another.

 

Seems like you are ascribing genetics to a lot of things that are cultural, environmental, or some combination of the two.

In the earliest days of professional basketball, it was a sport dominated by young, recent, Jewish immigrants. Using your same logic....the NBA should be scouring the earth for people from a Jewish gene pool. That's were historically some really good basketball players have come from.

The reality is that sports have historically been dominated by whatever group of people is forming the lowest few rungs of the socio-economic system of a given country or region. Cash Rules Everything Around Me. Sports (powerlifting, basketball, football, soccer, hockey, whatever) are path up and out.

Take your NFL son's example. Shadeur Sanders is not half the athlete his father was. Not even close. But he is experiencing success because he had access to knowledge, coaching, and mentoring resources that most young athletes could only dream of.

Another example, Antonio Freeman's kid is not playing WR or DB...but he is scoring goals for the USMNT and may make the final World Cup roster. One could argue that the financial resources the Freeman's had access to because of Antonio's NFL success, allowed his some to pursue soccer - a less lucrative professional sport here in the US.

In fact, most soccer watchers across the world recognize that as soon as the US would be able to field a domestic league where young athletes could make as much playing soccer as they do basketball or football, its over for most of the rest of the world. Imagine 11 J'amar Chase's storming the pitch!

The influx of Europeans into the NBA was because the pathways to economic success opened up across Europe after the wall came down. For the first time, it was economically viable to be a professional basketball player either domestically or internationally. So two generations of athletes that would have previously done something like hockey or whatever Soviet era machine scooped them up, were unleashed on basketball.

Look into the Soviet era models of sports and sports culture. The Soviets prized international displays of physical strength and endurance for national prestige. Think Ivan Drago. As a result, we still see the echoes of that system in former Eastern bloc countries. Culturally, it is still cool to a powerlifter.

 

Simply stated these poor men who would love a chance at the money pro football can bring. 1989 was a long time ago and thier nation of birth did not give them a chance to play. Was there even a football field in some of these nations? No.

That was then. In the future they will be or are now. Boys 12-18 can get a chance to play. This is where it starts.

Way back there was something called a world football cup. Team USA dominated as one might expect.

https://sportssurge.alibaba.com/football/what-countries-play-american-football

Anyway being a football junkie, I watched some of the games. One game pitted the 2nd place team and the 3rd place team were Germany and Japan that year. It was most interesting to watch these two nations play.

To see Japan execute plays was a thing of beauty as every man was doing something & trying hard. As you might have guessed they were overwhelmed by the physicality and size of Germany , who also executed plays very well.

Both teams had USA coaching.

At any rate I don't think too many players will be coming from the nations in the event, but many nations not in this league do very well the power oriented sports of wrestling, powerlifting, and boxing. Nations such as the Nordic nations, Poland, Russia and Ukraine currently involved in a blood bath , Serbia,Montenegro, and such have big men. Tall men where the average man stands 6 feet tall.

And if you know something about genetics they are slightly stronger than Western European cousins. All they need is a farm system , which is in the works for American football.

 

All places where Rugby is pretty prevalent. Which is probably the sport that's closest to football (but more endurance & decision making vs football which is faster and more violent).