Will the NFL become the 'modern NBA'?

The NBA is unwatchable. Its all three point shooting and no defense.

the NFL is getting there, restricting hitting the Qb. More protection for the receivers, alot more short passing games these days, the new kickoff format sucks too

 

No, because there just arent enough games, most teams dont start the season in tank mode. By the time they realize their season is doomed over half the season is over. Also tanking to get one player is risky because even if you get your QB you have created a culture that isnt great for attracting free agents, so you may still end up bad and ruin your QB in the process.

 

It's not that there is no incentive.

It's that the incentive is much less than in the NBA and the NHL (IMO) where those top couple picks are even more valuable relative to the other picks in the draft.

I think the idea that you think you can start your "tank plan" in game 13 (~ 77% of the season in the books) shows that you don't really think teams tank.

If a team is only starting to tank by game 13 (or later), they probably aren't going to get the top pick...which often requires something like 3 wins over 17 games.

 

All I can say is......We know which one is more popular, and by a wide margin.
If I was the most popular sport, I would try very hard to stay away from doing what a sport less popular than me does.

 

Owner ego gets in the way sometimes.

 

There is a time to tank. Whether that is game #13 or 17 depends. Essentially a team's season is over and once they have been eliminated from the playoffs. When a team in the lead for a top 5 pick if they are smart they should play the rookies and young guys currently not starting over the non key starters and definitely over the worst starters. What is the point in playing a vet who will be cut next year to save money on the cap? Can he help a bad team win a game? YES, but he is clearly a player on the way out. A.K.A TANK.

These young players could be better or worse. They might not be ready. Or they might find a young guy who is better.


Playing your players that are currently bad starters may give a team a better chance to win 5 to 6 games for the season , but it will diminish thier chances of picking #1 overall or having a top 3 pick. Quarterbacks can change a team's fortune and that guy is best picked very early in the draft. Gamble with the best odds in your favor of picking such a key man.

Essentially what I am saying is a team is better off sucking and picking #1 to 3 is better off than a team who sucks slightly worse and will be picking #6 - 9 regardless of record for thier future.

The NFL needs a lottery draft.

 

Turns out...he is indeed bad enough.

We just had a defense and offensive system that could hide him.

 

I think you and I are defining tanking differently.

I'd call what you're talking about something more like prioritizing development after you've been eliminated from the playoffs. That's just being sensible.

As said above, if you're going to tank for a top 3 pick you need to loose 14 games or so. The decision to tank for a top 3 pick has to be made early in the season (or before the season starts).

I agree that the best way to lose is to play a bunch of young guys. And to have a ****ty QB.

 

Not the Dolphins owner he reportedly wanted Flores to lose games .

 

No

This is not correct

Not even remotely

It’s a losers mentality

 

Wrong here as well

 

Well that's concerning.

What if they go to court like Trinidad Chambliss and are granted another year?

 

Never gonna happen.


Basketball vs. American Gridiron Football is the equivalent of comparing Kart Racing vs. the Formula One Racing; one is clearly deadlier than the other. In Basketball, while the sport can get physical at times, it is largely a sport still dominated by the players; the absolute best being the literal "Center of the Universe" within the NBA. Add in the fact that this recent trend of NBA Players doing something called "Load Management" and teams are even more incentivized to tank for the benefits far exceed the risks.


In American Gridiron Football?!?! Take one play off and that could be the end of a players career. The sport is a full speed, all out collision based sport. It is physically impossible to tank based on that alone but that alone isn't the only major reason. The biggest reason is that, unlike the NBA, the QB is the most valuable position in all of sports. By its contrast, the QB Position is the most vulnerable in all of sports. The team that drafts him needs to have both a competent Coaching Staff, Roster and Front Office to develop him along with an Owner who can allow the aforementioned three to happen while staying out of the way. Don't believe me?!


I asked Trevor Lawrence, the last QB I graded as a "Cant Miss QB", to nearly bust out in Jacksonville due to Shahid Khan's stupidity. Add in the fact that the Jacksonville Jaguars had the combined likes of Trent Baalke and Urban Meyer, Trevor was doomed from the very start. He has made a nice comeback but he will never be the player I thought he would be coming out.


Long story short?! Tanking in the NFL is a Fool's Errand.

 

Even easier for the players to make money no less.

 

Stephen Ross is an idiot as a Football Owner.


He hasn't the foggiest of what the hell he is doing. I expect the Dolphins to continue to be a laughing stock until he steps down. Daniel Sillman, the successor, I haven't looked into much admittedly, but being an early 40s Owner in a League where it is dog eat dog at all levels; Ownership doubly so and no less?!


Man..

 

Does anybody understand the NBA free agent rules?

 

A team that knows it doesn't have a QB it can believe in can surely not play as hard as a team that feels they got something. When you don't play as hard it becomes very easy to lose games.

.... Brissett pulled back the curtain on the psychology of struggling NFL teams, offering rare insight into how quickly a professional locker room can mentally check out when losses start piling up. “You will be able to tell really fast,” Brissett explained, “based on the product that’s been put out there... you’ll just see guys do uncharacteristic things.”

What makes Brissett’s commentary particularly compelling is his acknowledgment that he’s witnessed this phenomenon firsthand during his journeyman NFL career. When asked if he’d been on teams that stopped believing in the process, Brissett didn’t hesitate: “Yeah, I have. Won’t name the team, but yeah.”

 

Will the NFL become the 'modern NBA'?


Maybe in a way. Now go with me here. The NBA has benefited big time for players mostly of Eastern European descent in nations where the average man is about six feet tall.

Players like Jokic and Donic are two of the best 5 players in the NBA. And Antetkonmpo is far behind them.

A notable list if top players include:

Luka Doncic Slovenian Los Angeles Lakers
Giannis Antetokounmpo Greek Milwaukee Bucks
Nikola Jokic Serbian Denver Nuggets
Lauri Markkanen Finnish Utah Jazz
Victor Wembanyama French San Antonio Spurs
Alperen Sengun Turkish Houston Rockets
Kristaps Porzingis Latvian Atlanta Hawks
Franz Wagner German Orlando Magic
Domantas Sabonis Lithuanian Sacramento Kings
Nikola Vucevic Montenegrin Chicago Bulls
Bogdan Bogdanovic Serbian Los Angeles Clippers
Deni Avdija Israeli Portland Trail Blazers
Dennis Schroder German Sacramento Kings
Rudy Gobert French Minnesota Timberwolves
Isaiah Hartenstein German Oklahoma City Thunde

Okay so what is my point. My point which defienly has Roger's attention is this.

There is a Russian billionaire ( Don't ask me his name. I can spell it ) I have only heard of his name. Anyway he is fond of NFL football. His vision is creating football at the high school levels in many towns and cities in various countries east of France. Offering a college scholarship to play football in Central / East Europe and creating football fields for them to play on. From here the athletes can go pro, however this guy may want a percentage of earnings contact with them if they do. The tv's right and such will be his.

Now the Western European men in my opinion generally lack the size and physicality to play American football beyond the high school level. A few can, but generally not.

This is not the case for Eastern Europe where the men are typically taller, stronger and have better athletic ability. What if they were introduced to football american style? I think they can produce their share of players like the NBA is enjoying.

One obstacle, A.K.A The Salic bloodbath of men in the Ukraine and Russia, has cost about 2,000,0000 lives and injured likely more than that. So his dream, at least in these lands, will not be doable for the next 15 years.

Since I know a thing or two about the game, what type of positions am I talking about?

Players most likely to populate the NFL positions on the offensive defensive line. I can see some linebackers and tight ends. A few safeties, and wide receivers. And of course kicker and punters. Cornerback and Quarterback not so much. Running backs not so much.


- JB

 

This makes no damn sense Joel. While there are some great players from overseas you are talking about 1 of r 2 out of a whole country. The best of the best. We aren’t going to see an influx of international football players for a long time.. if ever. FG kicker and punters but that’s about it.

Baseball and Basketball have been getting international players for a while because they started their international push much earlier than the NFL.

This also has little to do with tanking.