Brian Flores....

They can not lie if they do not have access. Unless I am mistaken, no "writer" at Depot has access to get inside the Steelers facility during the season.

The stuff they "report" is sourced from others. They do have infuriating click-baity habit of passing on every BS rumor and nonsense headline out there. But...I guess everyone has to make money somehow.

Honestly, I just don't click through on anything they are getting from elsewhere. If one of their own does a video supported breakdown or chart based analysis of something...that's usually worth a few minutes of my time.

 

Flores contract was done a week or more ago according to some. Guarantees the Vikes get draft compensation if/when Flores departs.

 

Why make a lateral move by going to another team just to be a DC again.

 

I go to their twitter page and they're posting every tidbit of what Ben or James Harrison said on their podcast, if I cared what those two said on their podcast I would listen to them .

 

We have 2 posters here who are notorious for doing this just so they can
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Yeah. I have never been on Twitter and only see what gets posted here and a couple of other Steelers associated spots...but it seems ridiculous. Some bizarre competition for views/clicks where any attention is good attention.

It would be cool if we all just stopped looing at this crap and demanded that these NFL "content" places produced actual analysis. But the few places that do have all gone behind paywalls or have folded up their tents because no one cared.

 

Short memory? Tomlin hasn't done anything in 10+ years. That doesn't fall just under short term memory my friend.

That is short, intermediate and long term memory pain we ALL have...including the in denial S.T.D.

Maybe its the pain you're trying to hide. That's what deniers do, right? It's okay, you can come clean. Rage for bit, then vent, then relax, we're finally free from the cancer of mediocrity and acceptance and back to hopeful and excited.

 

Does it even really matter? Does Flores have some kind of secret cold weather trick to be able to coach in the snow but not in the sunshine? This has to be the craziest premise of all the arguments I've heard so far.

 

Who let you out of the litter box

 

TWO years. That's it. I don't mean fire them necessarily, but you should know, after two full seasons, if a coach has it or doesn't. Either there is subtle improvments and the team looks well-coached, even if a sub-optimal roster, or they look like they're playing freestyle, schoolyard ball, drawing plays in the dirt because their coach is always drunk or something.

TWO years. You know by then, one way or the other. Start planning accordingly. Now, if you're just going sideways, then coach gets another year and then that is enough if still sideways or down.

4+ years, then we are willfully ignoring the obvious data and have become an ostrich society of the ignorant.

 

I don't get some (not all) here stating Flores is bad news due to the Miami fallout. The man was told to lose on purpose and refused and was fired. How is that anything but a positive for Flores? I'd have consulted a lawyer too. Now, there is an argument for not following orders from above, so if he's shown that at other places, I get it, but Miami crap show was ALL on the owner wanting a better draft pick. I am sometimes in favor of a better draft pick, and losing, but I don't want to see them purposely lose per se, just hoping they do when its obvious they aren't a contender (the past decade of Steelers football sadly).

Unless I miseed something, Flores character shouldn't be questioned, but it routinely is. I am...confused.

This is not me wanting Flores as HC, but he wouldn't be the worst hire of those being interviewed. I want to see them be thorough and interview several more candidates in case ONE of them VOWS to hire a proven DC AND a proven OC.

 

Bob, it wasn't quite that simple. There was an obvious blacklisting of Flores after he called out the Miami owner for demanding he lose games at the end of the season and was fired.
It was clear, Flores was not getting picked to be a DC (not HC, just DC) that year. He was left scrambling for a below-coordinator level job and Tomlin threw him a lifeline.
I perhaps don't agree with the lawsuit (I hate lawyers, overly complicated laws, and the money they all siphon from us working stiffs...they're just thieves in suits, robbing us all legally), but Flores was NOT wrong. He was blacklisted, the owners kind of wink, wink'd in solidarity with the slimy Dolphins owner and refused to give Flores a look as an obviously qualified DC.

Maybe he has flaws and shouldn't be an HC, interviews and talking to references might unearth that, and thats fine, but that lawsuit was justified, even if perhaps the wrong way to go about dealing with it.

 

That was obvious to me OX, and you're NOT wrong. It won't turn around blowouts, but those one score games, could win a couple each year we usually lose just based on fixing coaching fundamentals you noted.

 

Just curious what is that temperment your seeking for HC of Steelers? How does Flores not have it? I am not arguing, just curious.

I don't know Flores the man or the leader at all (the Steelers should know it well by now). I am NOT hoping for Flores to be HC, too many good candidates out theere that have a bit more upside, but if he was the HC, wouldn't bother me either.

Again, not arguing (your a little throttled up lately), just asking.

 

She's not offensive at all...pass.

 

I didn't think any team had to give compensation if they got a promotion...I.E. coordinator becomes HC. Now, if there is a buyout in the existing contract, then thats in play between former team and the coach leaving. I think usually the contract just terminates?

 

Michael, are you able to provide the evidence which supports your assertion that this was an “obvious blacklisting of Flores”? From what I recall, he was given a look by a couple of teams. He just wasn’t selected. That’s when he stomped his feet and started crying you know what.

 

The Vikings would receive (2) 3rd round compensatory picks from the league if the crybaby is selected and accepts the Steelers HC position. God help us if he gets it.

 

It pretty cool that You follow around to everything I write, and hit dislike, and disagree. I must be in your head even more than Tomlin. LoL. Can You say Obsessed?? LoL
As to what You write, I don't even read any of it, unless it's quoting me.
Yes to forget 2 SB appearances, one of the greatest SB wins, all of the playoff appearances, no losing seasons, and never once sucking would be the long term memory, but hey, You can act like he only coached for 9 years, and cry about it, and forget all the good things. You be You.

 

I don't want any coach who listens and loses on purpose--as I have heard from the Raiders OWNER many times<Just WIN baby>R.I.P. AL Davis..........

 

First of all, not a fan of a head coach who can’t get along with the quarterback. That might have been ok in the Parcells days in the 80s but right now, the QB is the alpha and omega.

Flores took the job knowing who the QB was and if he was in tune with the basics in understand the talent

It’s not his coaching style but what he did after that bothered me. He was pretty upfront and brutal in his coaching style. I’d be the biggest hypocrite if I said he was being too mean to Tua and made Tua so uncomfortable that his feelings were hurt and what not. I actually prefer that coaching method in my Stone Age mentality. The Parcells and Belichick method.


However, when he got called out on it and when Stephen Ross and his dumbass was trying to lose games, allegedly, and they obviously got caught tampering with Tom Brady, he went ***** mode in trying to sue people and blowing up out of anger because he was called out for being too harsh.


I would have respected him more had he just said, hey, I’m demand a lot and management and the QB couldn’t handle my methods of coaching. Everyone else got in line, why can’t the so called leaders do the same.


And he should have been more observant in choosing to go to Miami. I know it’s hard to turn down head coaching jobs in the NFL. You don’t want to ruin chances later but I felt he should have done what Ben Johnson did two years ago and turned down the Washington job and stay in Detroit until he could go to a team that better fit his coaching style.

I promote this in my own business and it’s the important part in the end, and that’s the contractor has to be just as diligent to their future client as the client is trying to scope you out.

People usually are so fixated on getting the job they lose sight at what might be a red flag in dealing with that client or situation. Is worth the money? The headache? You have to really get good and that or you’ll stress yourself out.


Now, Miami is no where near Pittsburgh. If you couldn’t handle it in Miami, how the hell are you gonna deal with pressure in Pittsburgh? I think Brian Flores would better himself staying in Minnesota until he can go to a team that has less pressure who have a QB that could handle his coaching style. Raiders would be ideal for him if he really wanted a job this year. Mendoza has the fortitude to deal with a tough coach and he’s talented. Tua had that tough coach in Saban but Tua has always been physically fragile and all those hits in the head have likely played a part in his regression.

I hope I was detailed enough without really diving into this. I could have gone all in but it would have been a longer post. I can explain it better verbally.

 

https://www.theringer.com/2022/08/0...hins-brian-flores-tampering-tanking-tom-brady

Educate yourself. Stephen Ross was busted by the league for tampering. The league's findings supported the claims by Flores, including that Ross offered him $100,000 per loss as a way to encourage him to tank. The league didn't dispute that Ross made the comment. They argued that he was only joking so they could brush it under the rug.

 

He's not going to deal with an owner who gets caught tampering and tries to bribe him to lose games in Pittsburgh, so that would help him out.

 

Hell I thought I was the only person to watch it.
Seriously I've brought this show up before, and people go.....I've never heard if it.