Post Game Loss Complaint Thread Browns Edition

I say get the 1st down then if you want to take a shot at the enzone you have 3 or 4 plays to do it not 1. whoever called that play should be fired.

 

I’m going to ask for a specific example of “coaching”.

im gonna guess you don’t have one. You have outcomes you don’t like but not explanations that link that to coaching.

the TD (game winning play) to the TE can already be shown to be a “good” defensive call/plan that was undone by a fortunate terrible throw.

 

And why does that make you all giggly

 

Rodgers

 

Don't be throwing @steelersrule6 into that group he’s incapable of having that thought on his own

 

was he really awful?

I often see people on here say this but given its the Browns it sure looks like he played an okay game to me.

 

Name one.
Funny you are right on schedule. You make excuses for Green Bay because Parsons is out, but not Pittsburgh with Watt, Washington, DK, Austin, 2 DBs, and us on our 3 LT. Make that make sense.

 

Not sure what you were watching. Look what he did after the first 2 drives.

 

So there’s a few. Everyone knows Tomlin has overstayed his welcome. Who cares what a few think. It doesn’t change anything.

 

I gave you one. Every game your coaching staff script plays and a game plan to exploit the opposition early on both sides of the ball. The first couple drives of the game are the most heavily influenced by the HC and the work you do all week leading up to the game. We started the game giving up a 9 play 41 yard drive for a FG, had a 3 and out for 8 yards on offense, and then gave up a 6 play 86 yard TD drive. 10-0 Browns on the most heavily influenced by coaching drives of the game. We do this in "win and in" or "win and go home" games ALL THE GOD D@MN TIME. If you can't understand that this part of it lies on the coaching staff (and Tomlin in particular), then I simply don't know what to tell you.

I also gave you specific coaching calls that were problematic. We threw a 50/50 fade ball on 4th down on two separate red zone drives. We called outside 1v1's on 3 straight plays to end the game at the 6. Nothing creative, nothing new... just throw a 1v1 ball outside and hope our guy gets one. We also called shotgun runs on 3rd and 5+ twice and got zero yards combined. At the beginning of the 4th quarter our top RB had 64 yards on 11 carries and we gave him the ball one more time the rest of the game. We threw too many passes... their run defense is not good and their passing defense is the best. Our plan was to throw 39 times and run it 24. We abandoned the run too early and got too cute on first down, putting us behind the sticks with PA passes that went for negative yards instead of just running Warren a few more times.

There were all kinds of coaching failures across the board. They aren't hard to find unless you're trying to miss them intentionally. The wins and losses are never solely on the coach or the players (its always a combination of them both), but there isn't a planet where poor coaching wasn't a huge factor in us dropping this game.

 

Yes they do. They would sell their soul to see the Bills DEMOLISH them.

 

Why stop there with the predictions of 6?!


GTA 6 before a new Head Coach.

 

I’ll counter.

I think the plays you mentioned were on Rodgers. He looked to be directing all of that.

The scripted stuff seems too vague to assign blame yet.


All I know is that this place is all over “coaching” after any loss. Then over the course of the next week, film breakdowns show up across the internet where it is predominantly talent and execution from a player level.

is the Steelers coaching staff an elite group? Not particularly. But what I just saw looked like lack of WR talent and piss poor play from Rodgers. Might’ve been his worst performance as a Steelers

 

My research came up with Arthur Smith.

 

The Browns offense had 200 yards in the first 20 minutes,one of the worst in the NFL....The steelers defense were better after that but it was a awful start,the last thing they wanted with a depleted offense

 

Right. Not debating any of that.

Question is why?

PF is a highly paid long term contract guy. The team is financially committed. Hard to theorize they are now off him as a player.

That would seem to leave either failure to execute something on the practice field or being out executed by another player. Or, Rodgers kinda freezing him out. Something Rodgers has done to talented players before in Green Bay and the Jets.

 

Holding any NFL team to 10 points should be more than enough to win.

Failure was all on offense.

 

Rodgers obviously has more than one route to throw to, but there should have been a run in there maybe on 4th and 1 in the first half or a play with some level of creativity at the end of the game instead of running an in break and a go on the right side and an out break and a seam on the left for 3 straight plays... There was just zero creativity in those plays and really the main success we had as an offense was when Rodgers was running the show.

The scripted stuff isn't vague. The blame is on the coaches and the staff. Obviously the players still have to execute, but if you consistently get beat in the scripted plays its going to fall on the coaches, not the players.

I've made this argument before, but the whole "talent and execution" argument is weak imo. The coach gets credit for putting his players in position to succeed and gets dumped on when he puts them in position to fail. If all that matters is talent and execution, then why do coaches get credit for anything ever? If it was talent and execution when we fail... then why isn't it talent and execution when we win? Why is it that Tomlin is the man when he wins a SB or AFCCG, and when we lose its on the players? Just be consistent.... He either deserves some of the blame in this or he doesn't. He either got out coached today and we lost, or he was a passenger to the players not getting it done. If you chose one, then the same can be true when we win. He coached a great game and we won, or he is a total passenger to his SB success and truly the players just got it done. Too many fans (on both sides of this issue) pick one and the other. It's either Tomlin coaches great when we win and the players suck when we lose OR the players won the game for Tomlin when we win, and Tomlin sucks at coaching when we lose.

We got destroyed on the scripted plays and got shut out in the second half of a game we needed to win against a 3-12 team starting a rookie QB. There is zero world where Tomlin doesn't shoulder a massive amount of blame for it.

 

They could not start that bad too.The L is of course on offense but the defense had a awful start

 

We're not winning another playoff game, much less a SB, with Low T at the helm, that's for sure. We've got to have, hands down, some of the stalest, most milquetoast coaching in the entire league.

 

Sanders does anything besides uncork a duck and the TD is incomplete or an INT. what’s the evaluation of the defense then?

 

All I know is that no one can ever point out how these coaching mistakes are happening.

A board full of people who swear it happens game in and game out. But can’t show examples of how the formation was all wrong or the sub package was a mistake.

All I ever read is how people don’t like the outcomes and seem like they don’t know what or who to blame so they post angry comments about coaching.

For this game, the lack of WR talent and Rodgers calling some poor plays on key downs bit them in the ass.