My thoughts on reg season wk 15

Which means that it is like 80% a talent and execution thing in previous weeks.

Like I said...I just think that "coaching" gets said alot when what is really being talked about it crappy execution and not enough talent.

 

One thing that I THINK I saw was that Metcalf's TD came with him aligned in the middle of a 3 receiver split out. Is that something different than previous? I don't know right now, but that would be interesting to see. Does that provide more opportunity for Metcalf to work in the middle of the field with MVS able to run some of the outside WR routes?

 

It would perhaps further the discussion if you defined what you believe coaching and ultimately what coaching changes are so that we can know what you are looking for. Your responses seem to want to paint everything as " when players execute they win, when they dont they lose " When the reality is more complex. Tomlin's mantra of we are gonna do what we do and we dont concern ourselves with what other teams do is a flawed idea and a bad way to approach coaching a pro football team. He believes rather strongly that if his players execute to the level he demands that there is no way they should lose. The major problem with that is that it disregards that the other team can execute at the same level or above and beat you. It happens to him over and over again. Lesser teams beat his because they execute and adapt where Tomlin simply says it doesn't affect us.

Last night he and the staff adapted and the players executed those adaptations and were successful. It wasn't a case if player execution being the sole reason for the win.

 

The games that kill the Steelers are the Thursday night loss in Cincy and the loss to the Bears.

Steelers win either of those games and they could win the AFCN with a win in Cleveland.

If you look at the odds, the Ravens are favored to win the division

Lions favored over Steelers
Ravens favored over Pats

Steelers favored over Browns
Packers favored over Ravens

meaning Week 18 is winner take all and the Ravens are favored to win in Pittsburgh.

 

maybe......BALT could choke vs. NE this weekend......

if we both lose, then yes, Week 18 it is - BUT:

They may lose back to back, too - w Green Bay the following week......

 

I have not seen anyone identify something as different in approach - only in outcome.

Several posters are basically stating that the Steelers called more middle of the field passes with no evidence that there were more or less passes called. Just that there were more completed.

Process is not the same as results.

What is the difference in process (coaching) that we saw on our tv as results (player execution)?

For instance, did the Steelers set their run defense alignment in a different way that allowed Queen to stay cleaner? Or did Queen execute better and get off blocks to make plays

 

So different personnel groups that performed the same plays as previous shows the result but not indicative of changing the process is what you are saying?

This confuses me because you are asking what changes to the process were made but you have already decided it was better execution by the same players running the same plays while stating there wasn't a change.

If you place MVS in the game and he draws attention from DK Metcalf and thus allowing Metcalf to have a successful game is it just Metcalf performing better or did having a viable 2nd or sometimes 3rd option available give more favorable conditions for Metcalf? That is a process change. You ran multiple receivers in order to free up Metcalf.


BTW your example of Queen was almost purely his elevating his game. Considering both Harrison and Wilson were still guessing gaps instead tracking the ball carrier shows the ILB position coach is still not teaching them the right way to play.

 

I expected more from CINCY
Knew there would be NO QUIT in Bmore
I expect Rats to b!tchslap NE this weekend

 

I hope that is the case. I did not rewatch it, so maybe that is what he did. I honestly don't want to see any player get severely injured. I especially don't want to see it happen on purpose (looking at you Sean Payton) it from bad play.

 

There aren't many paths where that game doesn't decide the AFCN winner I think. We need one more win than BAL in the next 2.

And I don't think there's isn't a way for them to clinch without winning that game. Even if we lose the next two (8-8) and they win the next two (9-7), if we beat them in wk 17, we win the division.

I don't think we'd do it, but I wonder if there's an argument for us to rest some guys against CLE if the Rats win next week. I don't think that game will mean anything in that case.

Get ready for yet another Saturday game in week 17.

I had the ticket 2 years ago. Just so I could watch Steelers games. And I think there were something like 4 or 5 games I got. Because (1) Steelers are apparently the 2nd market here and since the Bills are good now they often play at different times so the Steelers are on frequently and (2) something like 4 of the last 5 games were not on Sunday at 1 or 4.

Not advocating for it, but I can understand why so many people pirate NFL games. They make it so hard to get the games you want to see....even for people like me who were willing to pay for the Ticket.

The Ticket was so much better when I lived in Canada because there was never any local team blackout bull**** either.

 

Except in this case, it was the in-game decisions that played a huge role. Tomlin and his staff stuck with the running game on offense even though it didn't work in the first half. That paid off big time.

McDaniel did the Steelers a huge favor by not sticking with Achane. The guy was gutting the Steelers' defense. He did them another favor by having his team play with no urgency at all in the fourth quarter.

 

I don't think so, but in the scheme of things, it's the least important game left on our schedule.

 

LoL.

 

If MVS instead of CAIII or Wilson makes Metcalf possible - that is not a change in scheme or play design. It is a change in not having a player that is not good enough on the field. That is a change in the roster process which is certainly part coaching based. But if they are then running the same plays with BETTER players who are more physically capable or more precise in their technique -- the overall coaching approach has not shifted. The players just got swapped out.

And I concede the point that swapping out players is a component of "coaching" but all these comments I read across here and other Steelers related internet sites that Tomlin "coached" better and Smith "coached" a good game never explain what took place. And in this discussion we have identified MVS being on the field/roster instead of Austin and Wilson. So there is one "coaching" change. However it looks like Smith called a lot of the same plays. They were just more successful with someone other than useless and useless light running the routes. That is a talent/player issue. Or to put it another way....Smith had the right play calls all along....just lacked the players to make them work...

Queen is another example. He runs hot and cold. When he runs hot...the Steelers run defense "works". When he runs "cold" the run defense fails. "Coaching" seems to have little to do with Queen playing hot or cold.

Another example...Samuel was able to sink in zone and get an INT. He tried to stay glued to Waller's hip and elevate for the ball later in the game. He just got Mossed because Waller is like 8 inches taller. Too much of the Steelers internet is going to bellow "coaching" at both outcomes. But it really isn't. Samuel appeared to be in the proper position and assignment each time. One time he won the physical execution battle. One time he didn't. FWIW, Steelers appeared to ask Slay to do similar coverage techniques and alignments as Samuel and Pierre....but he could no longer execute. He got benched and then cut. Secondary looks better....coaching? Execution? Physical capability?

 

You keep ignoring the ways coaching did show up. McDaniel's clock management in the fourth quarter was just bizarre. Hid decision to stop pounding away with Achane was downright stupid. That is coaching.

Tomlin and Smith stuck with the running game even after it didn't work in the first half. It's pretty basic, simple stuff, but Tomlin handled it far better than McDaniel and that had a huge impact on the game.

 

Sorry. Some of the stuff I read makes me laugh, and I don't want to be mean to people, unlike how some view me, so I don't quote anyone, and just giggle. LoL.
For example, and I won't use one from here, but from the game thread, and I get people just blurt things without facts, but anyway it was said.... This is the worst team I've ever seen in redzone scoring. LoL. While in fact we are one of the best teams in redzone scoring. See stuff like that makes me ....LoL.

 

I think I said it elsewhere...but Miami quit. I can not remember the last time I saw anything as bizarre as the why that team played and called the second half.

And, again, I could just be dumb and my brain doesn't always work like it should...but I don't see much difference in the Steelers run game. It isn't like they just called runs on 3rd and 8 and somehow converted on a regular basis. They were able to stay ahead of the chains through effective plays on early downs and few pre-snap penalties. That allowed them the luxury of running the ball. They also didn't fall behind by a couple of scores. Again...allowing them to stick with running the ball. The final reason they could was because I really think they were not concerned about Miami's offense where, in contrast, they were terrified of the Bill's offense.

I only see one of those as a "coaching" decision.

 

Man...I personally like the Pats* in that game all day! I'd be surprised if the Pats* lose coming off the loss to Buffalo.

 

That is surprising to me too. I don't see the Ravens beating the Patriots, who are healthier and a better team. Even with the injuries to the Packers, that game is in Green Bay. I don't see them winning either of those.

 

With some of the recent posts around here, looks like someone stole Thorn's avatar and HeinzMustard's disposition.

 

I don't think the Ravens will beat the Pack or the Packers. I saw the shutout win for them last Sunday and the Bengals players were mailing it in. It looked like a preseason game.