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Aaron Hernandez $$ Question

Discussion in 'General NFL Talk' started by scruffy, Jun 20, 2013.

  1. HugeSnack

    HugeSnack Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure they did know he was a "wannabe gangster." I think all the teams knew, and that's the reason he fell to the 4th round. Now, I'm sure they didn't know he was a murderer, but they knew he was up to no good. They probably figured he was safe to pay that $40M to because he'd kept his nose clean (or at least quiet) since they drafted him. Oops.

    Not sure if I missed this or not, but do we know how much money the Patriots will lose? And where that money will go or not go?
     
  2. BobbyBiz

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    Wow this story just keeps getting more and more bizarre.

    I read somewhere where this Odin guy may have know about the double homicide and thats why he got whacked.
     
  3. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    His defense team is going to get A LOT of it.
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    It's somewhat murky, but $10.05 million is what they really stand to lose. They are most likely off the hook for his "guaranteed" salaries due in '13 and '14, because the CBA protects teams pretty broadly in matters of personal conduct when it comes to salary. -

    So his negative attention, regardless of guilt, is likely enough to constitute a legitimate 'conduct' related reason to waive him.

    The guaranteed signing bonus money is a different story, though. Going by the letter, they are, and will be, on the hook for that money. Once a player is waived or released, the prorated signing bonus money accelerates and all of it is immediately dead money on the current year's books. If they had waited to release him, recouping those losses would be pretty straight forward, as the CBA states that unavailability to participate in team activities due to incarceration is grounds for forfeiture. If they had kept him under contract and let the legal process play out, they would have had a much easier time recouping their losses. As the length of his unavailability grew, they would have accrued cap credits from his signing bonus.

    All in all though, I highly doubt that the Patriots would have released him if they didn't feel very confident that they could use their full legal might to recover some or most of that money at some point in the future.

    Right? That would be a pretty strong motive.
     
  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes it was, I posted a link in this thread about Hernandez, it's why his stock dropped so much in the draft.
     
  6. 12to88

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    We all make bad decisions, some worse than others. I've made my share. Difference is, I learned from them. Nobody bailed me out of the mess I made of things when I made those decisions. The same can probably be said of most of us. But then there are some who make bad decisions and then get the mess cleaned up for them. Hernandez made bad decision after bad decision and Florida bailed him out, giving him the impression that he could do whatever he wanted because he was Aaron Hernandez. No consequences.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    A lot of that "I can get away with anything" is a gang mentality, strength in numbers, these guys think they are invincible.
     
  8. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    To add to what I posted earlier, I was just reading more details on his contract, and if he is implicated in the double homicide from last July, the Patriots will be much more likely to recover the signing bonus money, as there is language in the contract that would forfeit the contract if he didn't disclose any pre-existing circumstances that would prevent him from being available to the team during the life of the deal. That's the gist of it anyway.

    Either way, there will be a team of lawyers on each side flexing their pens as hard as they can to try to prove that their interpretation of each word is the correct one.
     
  9. Lizard72

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    Got to add that even if they don't recover it, most likely the Family of the deceased would get a pretty big settlement in a civil trial. Not taking into the final verdict of the criminal case, they have enough just from the arraignment evidence to hold him responsible in a civil trial in order to gain a judgment for compensation.
     
  10. BobbyBiz

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    Yeah, but not as big as you think since it now appears that it is going to have to be split 3 ways...
     
  11. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    I just read on NFL.COM that the Pats are offering people the opportunity to exchange their Hernandez jersey for one of equal value at their pro shop and on their web site. I think that's pretty awesome of them to do that. Sure they are trying to distance themselves from any thing to do with him but I still think it's cool that they would let people do that.
     
  12. santeesteel

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    They probably already have.....................in Oakland!
     
  13. HugeSnack

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    Yeah, I thought the same thing. I thought, "Gee, that's nice of them..." Then I thought about how they probably reeeally want those Hernandez jerseys off the street and out of sight. Might not be so good for business having the world reminded that they're the team that gave a triple murderer $40 million. Oh well, selfishness or altruism, I guess it can be both. It's a win-win.
     
  14. shaner82

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    You misunderstood what I meant. His gang affiliations in high school and college were well known, but a lot of college players have shady lifestyles that they eventually leave behind them. I meant that perhaps the Patriots assumed he would also leave that lifestyle behind and they didn't realize how deeply involved in gangs he still was. All this stuff that's now coming out about Hernandez wasn't really public knowledge. I never heard that he shot someone in the face or that he was questioned regarding a shooting while he was in college. I also never heard that he threatened to kill Wes Welker. There's a lot of stuff that I never heard about until now.
     
  15. shaner82

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    I heard Tim Ryan and Pat Kerwin on their show the other day and they said regardless of the language of the contract, one of the first things the Patriots will likely do is simply stop payment on the guaranteed money owed to Hernandez.
     
  16. shaner82

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    Very true. Whether he's found guilty or not-guilty, his career is over and he's going to be bankrupt.
     
  17. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Yeah, it's a smart PR move by the Patriots. They are actively going to try to erase Aaron Hernandez from the organization's history books. First, erase his profile and stats from the team site, then get every one of those Pats Hernadez jerseys off the streets. Brand image repair straight out of Egyptian history. :lolol:

    Not that I blame them of course. ;-)
     
  18. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I strongly disagree with this. Your not hearing about it has little relevance. Do you really think the team wasn't aware of it? Teams spend so much time and money investigating prospect background and character. Their scouting and security departments have great resources. There's no way they didn't or don't know what I can find in 30 seconds searching news archives. They knew he was a huge character risk. They gambled and lost.

    Him threatening Wes Welker is a new one to me though.

    Yeah, a team rep announced that today actually. It's relatively small compared to what they've already forked over to him, but it's a start. They say they aren't even going to pay him the 200K in workout and roster bonuses he earned by showing up this spring. Basically, their stance is going to be- if you want it, come and try to get it.
     
  19. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    For sure. His remaining life will almost certainly be spent from behind bars, and he'll be having his future $1.00/hr wages garnished to help pay down his millions in debt after all his assets have been liquidated.
     
  20. santeesteel

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    You mean he's not going to join O.J. and spend his life looking for the real killer? Here's hoping!
     
  21. Blast Furnace

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    Well that would be stupid on their part. There are red flags and then there are red flags, having gang ties is about as big a red flag as you can get. I don't know what the gang problem in Canada is like, but here, it's a major problem, gangs are huge with literally thousands of members in some of them. It's very hard to leave one once you are a member, about the only way to do it is if you never go back home. NE was just about the worst team to draft him in that regards.
     
  22. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Actually the Welker thing that Shaner is referring to is from an altercation in the film room when he was a rookie and couldn't figure out how to use the film equipment and he asked Welker for help and as a joke Welker called him a rookie and told him he would figure it out and he really went off and told him that the would "f" him up.
     
  23. SteelinOhio

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    So when am I going to be able to trade in my Kordell Stewart jersey that's been in my closet for years? I mean, I know he isn't involved in anything like Hernandez is, but still....
     
  24. ScottChab

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    Good luck with that.
     
  25. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    Sure he is.
    In 1998 he single handedly murdered the Steelers best chance at a winning a Super Bowl since 1980 by throwing that pick to Bill Romanowski.
     

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