The Steelers could have been contenders in 2025

I don't fight with everyone, and I am far from the only poster here who gets in arguments. You know both of those things are true. Perhaps we could argue the topic rather than do this, which is not productive.

The topic, by the way, is whether a fan might understand things better than George Pickens. I think it is funny that people who question so much about Tomlin somehow think Pickens' opinion of the offense cannot be questioned. Sorry. That just does not hold up.

 

Why are you guys worried about me continue on with your whining about the coaching .

 

Are you implying that you're satisfied with the coaching?

 

I said in another thread the coaching hasn't been good this season doesn't mean I feel the need to post about it in every thread.

 

????? Has this writer even watched the Steelers in the last month or is he still thinking the "Tomlin no losing seasons" factor ????

As the players walked off, fans started chanting for Goff to peel his shirt off. Reporter Charissa Thompson brought it up during the postgame, asking if there was any scenario where he’d give the people what they wanted. Goff didn’t hesitate.

“If we win the Super Bowl, I promise you I’ll take it off,” he said.
He picked a pretty good night to say something like that. The Lions are still breathing. According to The Athletic, a loss would’ve cratered their playoff odds from 30 percent down to 12, with Dallas leapfrogging them in the standings. Instead, Detroit sits at 8-5, firmly in the mix and very much alive.

The Athletic’s simulator now gives them a 45 percent chance to get in. Three wins in these last four would probably be enough. The problem? They’re staring at one of the roughest finishing stretches on any contender’s schedule.

They need at least three wins, and three of their remaining opponents are the Rams, Steelers, and Bears – all playoff-caliber teams. Snagging even one will take everything they’ve got.​

 

I got excited there for a while. I saw the words "shirt off" and "Charissa Thompson".

 

I understand your point just fine. You aren't getting mine.

You keep assuming the offense has to be what it is now. It doesn't. A good coach adapts to the talent on his team. If they had two stud receivers like that, the offense should change to give them more opportunities. Smith has run an offense that gave both receivers ample opportunities before and that was with Henry soaking up a huge number of touches. This team doesn't have a Henry, so it should have been even easier to create more opportunities for the receiver.

Also, if I have no business questioning Pickens, you have even less business questioning Tomlin, who has far greater knowledge of football in general and what the Steelers are doing in particular.

Please refrain from making this personal. It is not fair for a moderator to do that knowing I cannot respond in kind. Thank you.

 

it is a SH*IT show JOKE

 

only a LEMMING DUMMY that does not understand the game would be satisfied with this coaching for YEARS!

 

Serious question, do you think Tomlin would be a better coach if he left the offense and defense up to his coordinators? Or are you so far gone on him that he has no redeeming qualities?

 

Tomlin took over a team that had a HOF QB in his prime an all time great Defense and two good coordinators. Actually one great coordinator in DL. That’s as good a spot as anyone could dream of. Now I will say the first few years he didn’t screw it up which could have happened with another coach I suppose BUT

Since the defense started to retire and his coordinators left look at how far we have dropped. No playoff wins in 9 years and 3 in 14. Numbers don’t lie he is an extremely overrated coach who benefited from Ben and a good foundation that was established by Cowher. His conservative play to not lose mentality has gotten him this regular season streak by simply being average.

 

I'll buy that for a dollar but I still think if he had stayed in his lane years ago and gotten the best coordinators he could, we would be telling a different story about Tomlin. To me, that will always be his biggest downfall. He had his hand in too many pots.

 

I mean I’ll agree had he surrounded himself with great coordinators like he had early on things would likely be better. However his arrogance after winning it all early on would never allow that he wanted to surround himself with yes men.

 

Tomlin has final say on acquisitions/drafting … I wonder if that needs to be taken away from him and let Khan, Weidl, and the scouts do their thing.

 

I think if anything, that's definitely a place to start. If the Rooneys won't fire him, at least take away some of his power. They need better coordinators and I'm not sure Tomlin can be a hands off head coach anymore.

 

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!

 

He never adapted his approach from a team that was stacked with veterans that held each other accountable to the Steeler way to a team with younger players who needed discipline and structure more so than a "players coach that could relate to todays players". Allowing Ben and AB to have different rules from the rest of the team and being confronted about that by Troy and doing nothing about it was the beginning of the end right there. He was/is a soundbite that I believe the ownership and the medial became enamored with. We all know having an easy boss makes going to work easier but does it result in getting the best out of each employee, nope it doesn't. All the players saying I wouldn't want to play for anyone else doesn't mean you will be the best. Jordan was an ******* but he drove his teammates to their best period. Did Tomlin drive Ben to be the best he could be, no he didn't. A great coach would have controlled Ben, Bell and Brown and got them to buy into the greater good. Allowing Ben to have a radio show where he criticized his teammates was asinine and should never been allowed, not cracking down on Bell recording social media int he locker room, again asinine. Great you relate to the young players today but did that result in winning championships, nope!! He's overrated based on the talent he had and the lack of championship/playoff success. Only 4 years with a playoff win, time to go has been so far past the expiration date it is mind boggling.

 

Tomlin's fallback has always been; "we have a process", like he follows the same team development script every year. It's a great comment when you are winning on a regular basis. It kinda falls apart when you get repeated failures. If this process is all he knows then it sure seems that it's time for new blood and a new process.

 

Bingo! He had his best seasons when he inherited a team still on the rise with top shelf coordinators and a franchise QB! And all he had to do is be the head coach.

He throws around Collective so much i'm sure his wife has put it on a tee shirt like all his cliché's to sell.

Look at the Collective he inherited.

Now look at the Collective he has built.

Huge difference.

His time has come and gone, stale and archaic. The hand he has in to many pots as you said was handed to him by Art II. Handed him control of all the football operations with zero consequences or questioning.

I have been ready for the next chapter, a new vision. And if it means a couple of down seasons i'm all in. Break the norm and hire an innovative offensive mind,

And have Art II step down and let his son take the reins...

 

The coaching was so much better under Cowher, top to bottom!

 

Just this year?