Two-year extension for Jaylen Warren

Its not a spin. We legitimately can't throw the ball. Warren might be our best offensive player on the whole team...

You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how stupid/wrong it is.

 

I'm convinced that we can line Gainwell up in the slot if we wanted to. He has great hands and is a real threat out of the backfield as a receiver. This RB room is really nice. As the OL continues to develop (and maybe we find a way to complete a forward pass) we are in a good spot at RB.

 

He’s obviously not the cure all but he’s the least of our problems.
He’s one that I would keep if I was cutting through this roster like a hot knife through butter. Maybe not 1, but a keep.

 

You aren't disputing my points because you can't. I was right in predicting that Warren would be less durable than Harris was over the last four years. I was right in predicting that Warren would not be able to handle the same workload as Harris. I was right in pointing out how the offense's limitations affected Harris as they would affect Warren in the lead role. The numbers back that up, too. I have the facts on my side. You don't.

I don't want a tiresome debate. I want you to admit I was right about those things because the facts back me up. You are the one dragging this out with tiresome nonsense rather than just taking the L.

 

Such weak sauce from a guy who can't admit I was right and he was wrong. I'm not desperate. I am disappointed. The facts are indisputable by anyone looking at them honestly. Warren can't match the durability they got from Harris. He can't match the workload. Those aren't opinions. Those are facts. You have been crying about the offense holding him back, just as it did to Harris. I was right about that, too.

Man, do better.

 

I don't want you to debate me. I want you to stop referring to facts as nonsense. I'm presenting an evidence-based argument. You are responding with ad hominem arguments and trolling. I don't mind repeating my accurate arguments. I wish I wasn't right. I wish Warren had emerged as an elite running back this season. He hasn't. Each time you deny my fact-based arguments, you look more foolish.

The Steelers started Harris over Warren the last three seasons because he was the better option. He was more durable. He protected the ball better. He was able to take on a heavier workload. As the lead back, he was limited more by the massive flaws in the offense. All of those were a concern regarding Warren moving into the lead back role. With the exception of ball security, the games so far this season have demonstrated that all of those concerns were accurate.

Durability is easy. Harris never missed one start in four seasons with the Steelers. Warren missed one entire game and parts of two others. Therefore, I was right in saying the Steelers would lose durability with Warren in the lead role.

The numbers also back up my claim about workload. The Steelers are still limiting Warren's snaps and touches. I already presented the numbers to back this up. You chose to ignore them because you don't like them.

Also as expected, Warren's average per carry declined as he moved into the lead role. He is currently at 4.2 per carry, but that has gotten worse as the season has worn on. The Steelers faced two of the league's worst run defenses the last two games. I don't mean yards given up. I mean in average per carry. Warren averaged 3.8 yards against the Bears and 3.5 against the Bills. It's not about limited opportunities. He's just not as good as the lead back as he was in the passing down/reserve role. This is exactly what I and others tried to tell you going into the season, but you didn't want to hear it.

None of this is saying he is bad. He is their best offensive weapon, which also tells you just how bad this offense is. You are doing what you have always done as long as this has discussion has been going on. You are ignoring Warren's weaknesses because they don't fit into your chosen narrative.

Go and and keep ignoring the facts and covering your denials with by coming after me. I will keep responding with accurate, fact-based arguments. Have a lovely morning.

 

You clearly haven't been paying attention since I joined this board. I do not care if I convince anybody. I like debating these things. I enjoy it even more when I can make an accurate, fact-based argument and the people opposing me have to rely on falsely claiming victory, avoiding any logical debate because they know they will lose, and covering it up with ad hominem arguments.

By all means, keep proving me right. It doesn't make my frustration with the Steelers' season go away, but it is entertaining.

 

I know admitting I was right all along would make you feel a little foolish, but trust me, covering it in this foolishness makes you look far worse.

 

You have to lose before you can win. The Rooney's do not like to lose, they would rather be average and hope to get lucky on year. Also, I do not think the fanbase has the temperament to take the losing. When Cowher did it they wanted him gone immediately.

 

I was a Najee fan and also predicted Warren would struggle as a lead back. Its easy to have a high ypc when you are getting touches on 3rd and 12 and getting 9 yards.

Make no mistake, Warren is better in space and has some wiggle but he isn’t as strong as Najee and can’t break tackles like Najee.

When Warren was out, Najee was eating because he wasn’t coming out on 3rd downs and it kept the D on its heels more often.

Warren is good as a change of pace RB but he isn’t a feature RB.

 

Your avatar is great, pertinent and timeless DS. (No pun intended).

 

You do know you could just not click on the thread or skip posts you think might not interest you, right? This isn't a Clockwork Orange situation.

 

The evidence says so. If you can't see that they lost durability going to Warren from what they had the last four years with Harris, as an example, you look foolish.

 

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!

I believe that's the line in that scene

 

If Rodgers throws the checkdown to Gainwell here he's still running. Yea, it was 3rd and 9 but Austin (the target) was basically covered by the deep safety and everyone else locked in man. No one looking at Gainwell.

 

Maybe, but after hearing all the hecklin from the fans out of the stands about short throws and such.........

these fans think they're not heard, such hurtful words IMO

 

Understood. I'd prefer, at this point with such a sickly offense, they simply take what the defense gives them. We watched the moonball offense last season and that failed equally as bad.

 

Don't see much weight to the argument Warren not getting the touches because of durability. So if X equals Y then that that sane argument holds for Washington? Muth? Wilson?

Hmmm I don't know. Warren is heavier than a handful of other starting RBs. Guy is a cement truck.

Coaching bad - Players will follow suit.