Scheme or talent, and what’s up with DK’s running in motion?

Yeah right, they aren't going to tell a hall of fame QB like Rodgers to avoid the MOF.

 

The actions on the field say it all...no matter the QB, Tomlin hates the middle of the field like crazy this decade on both sides of the ball.

He's more focused on the floor (9-8) than on the ceiling.

Tomlin refuses to take the necessary risks that you must take if you want to be great

 

They have only gone 9-8 once

 

Because we have a 17 game schedule since 2021 only....And remember the steelers were 9-7-1 in 2021 but I count the game against the winless Lions at that time as a L.If it was still a 16 game season,it would be 8-8 instead of 9-8...Tomlin finish 8-8 3 times .

Only Jeff Fisher and Jason Garrett have more 8-8 season that Tomlin

 

This is just dumb even for you at least they don't suck like Cowher did in 98-99 .

 

You mean this head coach?

 

I don't care only won 1 Super Bowl, it's still dumb making a big deal about Tomlin going 8-8 three times. Most coaches who last that long had some down years you aren't going to win 10 or more games every year especially without a franchise QB.

 

I mean,Tomlin had prime Roethlisberger for 12 years(2007 to 2018)...Cowher had only a healthy Ben for 2 years and they dominate the entire NFL in both of those years outside of the Patriots who was at their peak in 2004.This is crazy Cowher has been in the AFC title game 4 times without a franchise QB

 

The Tomlin faithful are down to comparing which coach is better at sucking.

 

They didn't dominate the NFL in 2005 they were a sixth seed , they went to two Super Bowls in an era with Manning and Brady they weren't going to dominate then because they were better than Ben.

 

They were 13-3 with Ben that year including the playoffs and they won 10 games by 10 points or more with Ben as QB.....The 2005 AFC was also maybe the best AFC conference in NFL history.They were a 15-1 team the year before but in 2005 they peak at the right time.27-4 overall with Ben in 2004 and 2005.Domination!

 

They went 11-5 in 2005 and didn't even win the division and was a sixth seed not exactly dominating , 2005 AFC the best conference in NFL history not even close.

 

I said maybe the best AFC ever.(I know the 1989 NFC were likely the best conference ever)..I mean the chargers who were 12-4 the year before and 14-2 the year after did not make the playoffs.They would been the number 1 seed in the NFC if they would been in the NFC and they had the same schedule that the seahawks...The steelers would been in the second seed in the NFC that year at 11-5...remember Tommy Maddox cost 2 games to the steelers that year but when the steelers had Ben as QB,it was a true dominant team in 2004 and 2005 and they prove it come playoffs time on the road in 2005.The rest is just noise

 

How do you explain the same QBs doing it before they were coached by Tomlin and after they left? Is Tomlin force controlling them?

Old QBs in steep physical decline and young QBs who shouldn’t be in the NFL and career journeyman QBs are not the guys to attack the middle of the field.

Not on a Tomlin coached team or any other coached team. Find me the guy the caliber of the dirtballs the Steelers have trotted out at QB who are making their living in the middle of the field.

 

Lots of teams won things without a QB for much of Cowher’s tenure.

if you’re gonna give Cowher credit for dragging teams without a QB to 9-10 wins, why not Tomlin? Arguably more impressive now than 30 years ago.

 

Cowher was in afc title game 4 times combined with O'Donnell and Kordell and they had 11 to 13 wins 5 times during those 12 years....It was not just 9-10 wins,they were often far in the playoffs

For the a lot of teams won things without a QB, if you're talking about winning super bowl, in the Cowher era, 13 of the 15 teams that won a Super Bowl with a hall of fame or likely futureHall of Fame QB. The exception was in 2000 and 2002 when the Ravens and Buccaneers had legendary defenses, but the QB was also crucial during that period.

 

all I really know is that I heard the exact same complaints about Cowher as I do now Tomlin. The exact same.

I don’t know if you were watching and following the team for all of Cowhers tenure but it wasn’t all sunshine and roses. In fact they were adrift and largely rudderless after they pulled the plug on Stewart and before drafted Ben. Only buoyed by a random Maddox resurgence.

if Steelers hit on a QB in the next draft or so, it’s basically the same movie.

 

Nice charts. I don't watch enough film to know, but in addition to where the ball is thrown, I'd love to know where the receivers' routes are going. Are there routes in the middle of the field that (a) the receivers don't get open or (b) the QB doesn't see or like, or are the majority of the routes to the flat or sidelines? Can't blame the QB if the the scheme doesn't develop open receivers in the middle or the receivers running any routes to the middle don't get open. You can blame them if they don't see or use the receivers in the middle. Or maybe, as Tomlin seems to think, defenses are designed to take away the middle, and our offensive geniuses cannot scheme anything against those defenses.


And you'd think with a stable of so many tight ends, somehow they could get open in the middle of the field. Heath used to eat up defenses in the middle as I recall.

 

True, but the biggest criticism of Cowher during that period was that he was incapable of winning the Super Bowl, similar to Andy Reid before Mahomes. The biggest criticism of Tomlin right now isn't the Super Bowl, since it hasn't even been close for a long time,this is that he hasn't had a playoff win since 2017, which is by far the longest streak since the 1970s for the steelers

I agree that Tomlin's floor is higher than Cowher's, but if the Steelers draft a talented young QB and Tomlin is still with us, it's going to be crucial to put him in the right situation—as a good OC, with the right scheme and the right player. And I'm not confident that Tomlin will be able to find the right OC for that, like Cowher did with Roethlisberger and Whiz as his OC.

The biggest advantage Cowher had over Tomlin was his assistants; they were much better. Some of them became head coaches later. And it's true he had his misses on occasion, but it's impossible to be perfect in that area. The Steelers' assistants since Haley and Munchak left have been very disappointing, and they've kept them way too long, like Canada or our current offensive line coach, Austin, etc. Maybe it's Rooney's fault, I don't know, but it's a major issue right now. A team like the Eagles would never have kept thoses problems for so long.

 

Cowher had some awful assistants as well. Walton, Lewis off the top of my head. I’m sure there were others. I just don’t remember them all right now.

The Eagles are in the middle of their own major assistant coach problem. Their OC stinks. Honestly, most of their coaches are underperforming but their GM has built such a juggernaut that they win anyways.

 

That would be a great examination for someone to do. Too bad none of the dozens of Steelers sites seems to be doing detailed work like that.

 

What about that 1-4 record at home in the AFCCG

 

Nobody's perfect in this area, and I mentioned in my post that Cowher made some mistakes, like for his OC in 1998 after losing Gailey to the cowboys

Very true for the Eagles too for their current oc,he is awful but their problem is, when they have a really good OC,that OC becomes a head coach the following year as after 2022 and 2024!

But Cowher's batting average and the Eagles' are much higher than Tomlin's for assistants, especially in the last 6-7 years for Tomlin.

 

Much better that the 0-0 record for tomlin at home in those games since 2011