TGFANL

thank God for a new line.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/06/steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-sacks-per-game-career-stats/

i believe this has been the biggest failure of our front office. we should have 2-3 more trophies in the case, if they would have protected ben over the years.

it's a good example of why i protest about how max saved us. max,colon,kemoeatu, flozell, scott, essex,urbik,foster and the O-Lines play and their conditioning amongst thier unit.

our franchise qb has taken a royal beating and our run game was never consistant. how for to many years it limited what this offense could have been and what they ran as an offense. or couldn't run.

we have to remember hartwig took it on himself to bring this unit together and tried to work together to get better.

zerlien set them back as well.

it's amazing to me how many seasons were wasted with ben. the graph says alot about how much ben had to play his style out of nescessity and the beating our front office has watched him go through. this doesn't count the hits taken.

i am quite happy we went the way we have finally with youth and mobility. it has to help and i hope they are not done yet. getting rid of the deadwood helps too and brings a new attitude into the building. coach included.

 

See my note in the other thread

 

I so disagree with the conclusion you're making out of these stats.

Everyone knows the more a QB is sacked the worse his #'s are gonna look. The issue I take is all those sacks are NOT soley on the OL. Ben's style of play has long been known as to why his sack #'s are so high. If he'd read defenses quicker and made decisions quicker his sack #'s would be much lower. No OL can protect as long as Ben requires his OL to do.

That being said, we have had some issues on the OL and upgrades have been needed. I just hope our TWO UNPROVEN OTs and a near rookie @ RG and a newby @ LG proves to be that needed upgrade we've been longing for.

Cajun-

 

Ben's style of play causes some sacks, but I wouldn't say that's the reason his sack numbers are high. He's had some really, really, really bad offensive lines here. Most of his sacks come from players getting to him too fast, not from him holding onto the ball forever. Also, most times he holds onto the ball for a long time, it's not a sack.

 

I said Ben's style of play( slow reads and indecisiveness ) is why his sack #'s are "So" high. This is pretty much fact by all those who have studied and commented on such things including our own Head coach Tomlin and Ben himself. Yes our OL has left much to be desired and an upgrade has been needed as I also noted.

Since we're being nit-picky and argumentative ( as usual ) here I can only assume you've analyzed every single one of Ben's sacks and correctly assigned blame to each one and then counted to determine the greatest cause of sacks. Also I must assume you've done the same for each time he holds the ball for a long time how many resulted in sacks versus non-sacks. I'm assuming these things because I know your love for film study and your pronouncement of fact in place of assumptions.

Can we just agree, Our old OL wasn't that good at pass blocking ( they were built to run block man-to-man scheme ) and Ben didn't help matters with him seemingly always looking for a better play and holding the ball Too Long.

Cajun-

 

the part that got me was out of 136 games of 3 or more sacks. thats 8.5 seasons worth of games.

he has 195 games of 2 or more sacks. 50 games of 1 or less.

yes snack i agree completly with what you are saying here.

 

You might want to recheck your #'s there Mac--- Ben is a 10 year vet. He has played in only 127 reg games and 14 post season games totaling 141. NO way he has 50 games with 1 sack or less ( about 35% of total games played ) and 136 games ( 96 % of his total games played ) with 3 or more sacks!!!!!!!!!!!


Cajun-

 

the chart is there to see. his win and loss record when those sacks happen. yes there is a carry over in some columns. his W-L if he had 3 sacks OR MORE would carry over into the 4 sacks or more column.

the jist of doing it like i did, shows there is a huge discrepancy between the zero or up to two sack games as opposed to the 3 or more sack games. bens been on his back way too many times behind bad lines. also hits from said bad lines.

this is not the way to treat your franchise.

 

I think it is interesting that the games where he took more sacks are also the games in which his attempts were up and interceptions as well. These have to be games where they are playing from behond and Ben is throwing more to make up ground quickly. His higher QB ratings, lower Interception rating and win percentage coincide with fewer attempts and fewer sacks. Something to be said for less is more or playing with a lead and forcing teams to defend the whole field instead of pinning their ears back and coming after the QB in obvious passing situations.

 

Mac, I agree we've had bad OL combo's, I disagree on starks, he wasn't all-pro but he was a good LT. I agree Ben has been hit and/or sacked way too often but disagree it was all the OL's fault.

I'm not gonna jump up and down about our new OL until they prove they are what we hope they are!!!!!

At least we're addressing the problem with high draft picks and a new coach.

Cajun-

 

foster still looks fat at mini-camp. pouncey,beachum and DD look quick. some good but short video of the boys on the move from camp on the main page.

 

I thought I read Ramon lost a bunch of weight...? Does he look less fat at least? Or the same fat?

 

LT my friends LT. We all better hope the LT can play.Or you may have
somebody, possibly Silverback/T Sizzle who could end your franchise qb's CAREER.
Sort of like ex Northills Indian and ex Penn Stater Lavar Arrington did with Troy Aikman!LOL

 

he said he needed to lose weight. the video is there to see, he looks just as fat as before. you can see 2 guys pulling that look mobile ( beachum and DD) and then with pouncey (slim and mobile) you see ramon (large). he looks much different then the other 3. this was my concern about him mixed in with the rest.

in the pictures i've seen of gilbert, he's just a big dude. he looks muscular. i wish he'd play as strong as he looks. i'm warming to the idea of him playing that side.

i wish everyone would stop with the how bad they looked as rookies. they were rookies, they don't stay rookies forever. players get better from thier rookie year as they learn. i've heard it about golden,victorian,adams,DD and beachum. people expect them to get on the field day one and set the league on fire. that usually doesn't happen, it takes time.

 

Ben has DEFINITELY held on to the ball too long many times but ultimately the truth is that if Ben wasn't such a freak of athletic nature he would have been out of this league YEARS ago and we DEFINITELY wouldn't have as many trophies in the case. But another factor in all the sacks I think was BA's system. When routes take that long to develop it just flat out makes it more likely that you're gonna see more sacks. If you remember earlier last season before the injury we were talking about how much better the line looked. We pretty much know that the Rooney's wanted Haley because his system would protect the qb. So it might even be fair to call it the Haley/Rooney system of offense. LOL.