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Pickens over DK this week.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Mashburn, Sep 14, 2025.

  1. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

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    So what. He tried to turn a guy from unacceptable behavior to acceptable behavior over his time in Pittsburgh. Pickens didn't change or improve. Its not even the on-field fighting and taunting that were the problem. Its his tirades on the bench, the way he treated his teammates (burner "X" accounts calling out his QB, etc.), taking numerous plays and routes off during the course of the game (week in and week out), the way he showed up late for meetings and didn't care about being a part of the team... Our locker room in 2004 might've been able to sustain someone like him. Ours currently can't. Simple as that. We took a chance on trying to turn around a negative personality because he was incredibly talented. He never turned around.

    I never questioned Pickens' ability. I have consistently said that he's likely a top 15 WR with the ability to be a top 5 WR in the right circumstances. He's a great player. He's just not someone that teams that are trying to win games want around their locker room. He will be perfectly content getting massive targets and massive yards on an awful football team, and more power to him. We do need to fix our WR room (and should have tolerated GP for one more year before we replaced him), but we can't keep looking in the rear view mirror. If we want a winning culture, GP can't be anywhere near it.
     
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  2. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    Well we are not winning **** with good locker room guys like Watt and Hayward. What have they ever won? We need more talent and you get paid a lot to manage it!
     
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  3. Tweezer

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  4. SGSteeler

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    We didn't win with GP either? There have been very few teams that don't have high end culture that actually win it all. It's likely why we weren't able to win with the great teams we had in the mid 2010's.... You can sustain problem players within a strong structure, but it isn't easy to get that structure.... Watt and Heyward are high end locker room guys, but we still need a "culture" that everyone buys into. Defensively we have it currently. I think Queen and Elliott are great culture guys too. Offensively we don't have a leader. Who is it? Its our 41 year QB on a 1 year deal... that isn't going to cut it. Prior to that it was Harris... which isn't good because he wasn't a high end enough player to earn a second contract. We have essentially no one else that is stepping up as the leader on that side of the ball.

    Some guys just cant be redeemed. It's not like we didn't try with GP. He just is who he is, and isn't going to change. If we had Ben/Ward/Pouncey/Bettis/etc on the offensive side of the ball, we'd have a shot at containing GP. We contained AB for a while, Bell as well... But we just don't have that structure available currently on that side of the ball.
     
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  5. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    We are not winning with anyone which is the real problem I suppose :roflmao:
     
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  6. SGSteeler

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    Fair, but once we have the "team" to win, our culture has to be in the right place to actually get it done. Once we get our "QB of the future" we need to build that around him. Signing good players with excellent "culture value" would be something that could put us over the top.
     
  7. Formerscribe

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    Culture won't be enough if you keep bleeding talent because your coach no longer wants to deal with difficult players. I'm making an assumption here, but it is one that seems to fit into Tomlin's "volunteers, not hostages" nonsense. Handling knuckleheads was supposed to be a Tomlin strength. Instead, he keeps giving up on them way too early. The 2025 Steelers would be better with Pickens than they are without him. That is very clear. The rest is nonsense.
     
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  8. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Metcalf doesn't get enough targets in this offense as WR1, if Pickens was still here and getting his 3-4 targets a game he would've started acting out again.
     
  9. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    We could have kept him an extra year and got the exact same.

    And we didn't have a replacement.

    That's, Dumb and dumber.
     
  10. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    Dude, you say some stupid stuff? Pickens is a #2 WR behind Lamb.
     
  11. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Pickens is lucky they never suspended his ass they just reduced his playing time some for all the crap he did.
     
  12. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The third round pick in 2026 will be higher than a comp pick in 2027 ;).
     
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  13. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah no :poopy: Sherlock I bet the Cowboys offense isn't running as much 2-3 TE sets as the Steelers do, Pickens wouldn't be putting up the same numbers here.
     
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  14. Mashburn

    Mashburn Well-Known Member

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    https://www.essentiallysports.com/n...s-repeated-violations/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

    You make up a lot of stuff. Like a lot of stuff.

    Not one player is quoted to saying this. And if you believe Gerry Dulac (you know the long time guy reporter), he only mentions Tomlin and staff upset with his tardiness, etc stuff...... not a single thing in there about your lie that players were tired of him and wanted him gone

    Also he said that Pickens was fine with DK and Tomlin. And he even want to say, "so we know that Pickens didn't want out".
     
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  15. Mashburn

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    Good grief dude, please go watch football before speaking again.

    You clearly don't know anything and you make up so much stuff. It's very strange how much you feel the need to lie and spew non sense for your hate.

    The pickens haters in here like S.T.D and jeh1856 types at least leave it at they just don't like the guy. They don't make up lies or spew non sense.
     
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  16. Mashburn

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    Oh wow, a few picks higher. :rolleyes: That's really a big game changer. And good thing the Steelers had an idea of an replacement. It's not like we need a #2 WR. Our #1 who's getting 140 million and cost us a second is putting up insane high numbers that announcers, beat writers, everyone on the board, etc doesn't feel we need a #2.
     
  17. Brice

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    I don't buy the argument that the Steelers would be running the same offense if both DK and GP were on the roster.

    With the talents of both DK and GP on the roster your playbook is going to change.
     
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  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    You suddenly have faith in Tomlin??? :lolol:

    When he was here he had a limited route tree, Dallas uses him completely different than us.
     
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  19. Formerscribe

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    Because they would run the exact same offense if they had two stud receivers as they do with one and a collection of guys who should be backups. That is your logic?:facepalm:
     
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  20. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    That just makes the Steelers look even worse.
     
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  21. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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  22. DIzzyG3015

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    Just imagine how much better dk and pickens could look like if both played for the steelers. Giving up on pickens may have been a very bad decision after all, given that dk is also not known for being a clean guy and not a diva. If that was ever the reason to let george go
     
  23. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Smith had better weapons then he has here when in Atlanta and still ran this offense. I dont know why you think Tomlin and Smith are just going to abandon their philosophy if they had kept Pickens.

    The only play to keep Pickens would have been if they never brought DK in and just went out and got a true #2. Then maybe that would have kept him happy and he wouldnt have been a malcontent all year. Maybe he would have showed up to meetings and games on time, maybe hed have stopped jawing with the fans on the sidelines and they wouldnt have had to keep assigning him a babysitter to watch him, maybe he would have ran his routes or blocked when not involved with the play like when he allowed Warren to get blown up preventing a TD because Pickens didnt want to get hurt.

    Maybe but I doubt it. Sometimes people need a fresh start and it doesnt hurt that Dalllas knows how to use him better.
     
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  24. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Mirror
    Usually
    Reflects
    Ones true self
     
  25. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    This applies to others too
    Fresh start
    Beats
    A monotonous storyline
     
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