Trade Tomlin to Giants?

I relocated there from Clairton bout 4 years ago.

I understand the fresh start aspect. I just don't think Tomlin wants that fresh start, unless given a push. A change in direction in terms of team development is probably that push. I kinda find his move on from Pittsburgh tied to Heyward retiring tbh.

 

Dravosburg here back in the 80s

 

Don't dismiss the lure of a pay bump. It's a way to measure himself against his peers. Maybe he wants a fresh start. Maybe he wants an organization that seems to have its franchise quarterback and some nice pieces around him. Maybe he doesn't want to stay if the Steelers make it clear they are ready to move on.

The most likely reason he would turn it down would be because he doesn't want his new team to give up resources.

Supposedly, the Giants aren't looking for a new GM. They want to stick with the one they have.

 

And in 1972 it was Don Shula when the dolphins had a perfect season

 

....must have been a slow day for the talking heads..............

 

It is such a ridiculous flight of fancy to think Tomlin would be traded, but I guess people have to entertain themselves somehow.

 

I remember Cowher winning the Coach of the Year award, and then I remember a press conference in which some reporter told Cowher that Noll had never won it. Cowher replied with something like "now you're making me feel bad." So in that press conference, the reporter asking the question understood it as Noll never having won Coach of the Year.

 

Oh, I'm not dismissing the lure of a pay bump, plus the chances of being around his wife more often. For that reason alone I'd work with my agent and at the very least use it as leverage pull more $ from the Steelers.

And on the Steelers end of things, I think Khan and Weidl want some sort of change of direction as well. Both are under 50 and I'm sure both want to continue to ascend in the sports world, and they kinda can't when the organization been stagnant these past 5 years with high floor/low ceiling teams. A change of direction is coming sooner rather than later and it's really going to be up to Tomlin if he wants to be a part of the change in direction.

 

I'm not saying he's not getting a jacket. I'm saying no team wants him, because he can't pack a stadium.

Owners care more about packing stadiums and fans buying vs a jacket.

Don't believe me? Go talk to Bill.

 

Nobody wants him... huhhh... Chicago called about his availability in January, and these rumors wouldn't exist if the Giants didn't have some interest in seeking his availability this upcoming January. This is by far the strangest argument made regarding this issue.

 

Bill disagrees

 

Bill won't get a NFL job again because he's geriatric AF, not his ability to fill a stadium. Plus, Acrisure routinely sells out and bulk of our away games are 1/3 to a half capacity, if not more of Steelers fans alone. Hell, speaking of Bill, dare i tell you what the Pats gave up to acquire his rights? So again, wtf are you on about here?

 

Pete disagrees

 

Loses debate, thus moves the goal posts... well done

 

Come Christmas Pete Carrolls

 

Ummm
- I'm not the one who said age was an issue, you did.
- so I proved you wrong.

That's not moving the goal post.

 

I wonder how much, if at all, Darnold's end of season play impacted their desire to bring him in? It certainly affected how fans saw him as an option. Knowing how much other factors can effect the QB play, especially in the short term, I would hope that their evaluation of him would've been on a 'higher' level than that.

They've just never proven the ability to draft/acquire/evaluate/develop QB's. It's rare that a coach would maintain a job for 20 years and, not during that time period, develop a QB in any significant way. I realize that for awhile it wasn't necessary, but there's not usually such big questions about a coaches ability after 20 years.

 

Yep. Bad defensive play this year was surprising to me. I didn't buy into the "historical defense" talk. But I thought the CB play would be better and that would give us the extra half second or whatever we need to get to the QB.

This seems to work against QBs that have trouble getting the ball out quickly. But those who read and react fast are killing us. We have one of those again this week.

 

I'm not sure if you remember, but this is exactly what the vets on the team said Tomlin did when he was a rookie coach.

They said that he came in and had a super-hard first training camp. Not sure if they ever used the phrase "earned respect by wielding a big stick", but that's what happened. And it was probably required too since he was coming in as a relatively unknown guy to a team with a lot of established vets.

Many vets said that was the reason they petered out at the end of his first year.

Then they say he lightened up in year 2 and they won the SB.

You might also remember that one of the first things Tomlin did as head coach was cut Joey Porter. Tomlin was hired in January 2007. And he cut Porter in March. Again, this isn't the thing that someone does when they aren't trying to rock the boat in their first year as a HC.

I think Porter was 2nd all time in sacks for the Steelers at that time (although this is only official sacks because he's behind Greenwood and Greene).

I think it's a problem when people are unable to give Tomlin credit for anything he's ever done (not saying you because I haven't been here long enough to know).

I think it then discredits them when they make reasonable arguments (e.g., that Tomlin's strategy was good when he started, but hasn't changed as the league has evolved). Because it's hard to know if that's a good argument or just them reaching for another talking point.

 

I think you're right.

Which is why the 3 item parlay here makes zero sense.

There's very close to a 0% chance Rooney ever considers it.

Then even if Rooney did (he won't), there's also a very close to 0% chance that Tomlin allows it.

You also need a team that thinks a HC is more important drafting a potential franchise QB. Which is also a very low probability event IMO.

Very unlikely that any of these three happens in isolation. For all three of them to happen at the same time...well, it's not going to happen no matter how much some dislike our HC.

 

This is a major issues for this defense since several years now



The only thing who can save this sorry defense against good offense is if they have 5-6 turnovers like the game vs Pats or colts

 

Roethlisberger did get better during Tomlin's time as head coach. Remember he was coming off by far his worst season as a pro when Cowher retired.

Also, Roethlisberger was a factor in Tomlin not developing a quarterback. They did not put significant resources into a young or rookie quarterback until they drafted Pickett. To be fair to your argument, Tomlin and the rest of the organization couldn't have handled Pickett any worse than they did.

 

Go Bears

 

If I recall correctly (and I am sure the internet sleuths in here will correct me), Ben was coming off his motorcycle crash and an emergency appendectomy prior to this last season. The team started 2-6 but finished strong 6-2 for a very Tomlin like 8-8 season. I think they would have made some noise in the playoffs, but they didn't make the cut, missing on a tie-breaker, I think.