Trade Tomlin to Giants?

And what good young QB did they fail to develop? I doubt he micromanages Arthur Smith who can easily get another job if he wants.

 

He hates us as a collective...the fans, so YES he does hate you even though he doesn't know you.

 

BS
You don't know this.

I can't wait for you to start the SOS thread when Miami coaching opens up.

 

Every QB they have had since Ben. It’s the philosophy that I’m talking about that is irritating. Not saying those QB’s were world beaters but other coaches have been able to turn around players careers. Tomlin is not an offensive coach and he has shown to be weak and incompetent in his area of speciality the defense. The great HC’s around the league churn out future coordinators or HC’s in the area of speciality. McKay and Shanghai are two perfect examples. Has Tomlin churned out any coaches from the defensive side of the ball? Why would you as an owner go out and draft a franchise QB under a defensive minded HC who has shown no ability to develop a QB at this point or hire a good OC to develop that QB?

 

It’s pretty obvious. Enough articles have been written a things said by players and reporters alluding to this. The play style has pretty much been the same ever since we got rid of Haley. We have had multiple coordinators but the philosophy , style and results have been fairly similar since. We have tried in a back handed way to migrate to an outside zone blocking run game and it hasn’t worked. I think the Smith hire was good not the best but then why hamstring the guy with your underlings under him instead of letting him hire his own OL coach? Tomlin just never seems like he is fully committed to a direction. Why not make the clean cut with the rest of the offensive staff when you bring in a new OC? I feel like there is always an out or an excuse for why we don’t succeed. So you can’t even evaluate Smith accurately now because is it Tomlin, is it Pat Meyer or the Qb coach or the run game or pass game coordinators? Oh wait we don’t have some of those coaches

 

You DO realize how stupid that sounds, right?

 

Chuck Noll won the NFL Coach of the Year award in 1989. He received this honor for guiding the Pittsburgh Steelers to a 9–7 record and the playoffs, which was considered a remarkable achievement for the team that season.

 

As stated up thread, I'd trade Tomlin for a good shot at a franchise QB in a heartbeat.

But it's pretty clear that Rooney isn't in that camp.

I think it's because Tomlin is very good at achieving the mission of the team (which is to compete for the playoffs every year and not have meaningless games in the regular season).

I do think it would be interesting to see how much of Tomlin's "high floor" system would change if he went to a team that was all about results now / selling the future for the present.

Is he good at the system the Steelers want to run because that's who he is? Or is it because it's a specific choice he's making because that's the thing his boss seems to want most of all?

I don't think we'll ever get an answer to that question. Because I think Tomlin (like Noll and Cowher before him) will coach this team until he doesn't want to coach anymore. So we won't get to see the AB test.

But if I had to guess, I'd say it's just who he is. Maybe not who he was when he started (remember how Ben's production exploded under Tomlin because he was much less conservative than Cowher was?). But I think after you do something for long enough, it gets baked into the cake.

 

Which of those QBs went on to be better somewhere else?

I think I gave a list of QBs we had since Ben. Apparently that doesn't count because it says the opposite of what you're arguing here.

I'm also generally skeptical that NFL HCs develop QBs. I bet that it has happened in rare cases. But I think they come to the NFL as what they are in most cases.

 

Would he do exactly as well? Maybe not. Would he have been successful, especially if they had given him Pickens and Metcalf as targets? Yes, and likely well enough to be their answer for while.

 

Says hear a fella named Lindy Infante won it in 1989. Noll won an AFC coach of the year, but never the NLF coach of the year. Bill Cowher did win NFL coach of the year in 1992. To date Mike Tomlin hasn't won Jack Squat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_Coach_of_the_Year_awards