Trade Tomlin to Giants?

I don’t think it’ll happen. If nothing else, Tomlin seems averse to developing QB talent (and sports the track record to prove it).

 

He would be taking over with the guy in place. He isn't who I would want to develop Dart, but there are many pieces in place and that could be attractive to Tomlin.

Of course, this isn't happening, but the Giants may be in better shape talent-wise than the Steelers going into 2026.

 

Rarely. Amelia pilots most of the time
Elvis and Glenn Miller kick it in the ball room

 

His wife could open a stupid cliche tee shirt store on 5th Avenue! Perfect!

 

• 1989: Noll was recognized as the NFL Coach of the Year for leading the Steelers to a 9–7 record and a playoff appearance.
• 1972: He received the UPI AFC Coach of the Year award.

 

Which ones?

If they were desperate, I think they would have overpaid on their 1st choice at QB (Fields) instead of letting him go to the Jets for not that much money. But we didn't want to guarantee him what NYJ did. Looks like a good decision based on results since then.

When that didn't work, a desperate team might have just resigned Wilson. Rooney said that his preference was one of Fields or Wilson. But this was clearly a lie because our actions show that we very obviously had zero interest in bringing Wilson back.

Going after Rodgers? He was a great value. Just like Wilson appeared to be the year before. A desperate team would have ponied up the cash for AR. But Kahn said "we have this low value on you and we aren't going to come up from that number. You can go sign with someone else if they give you a better offer that you want to take." We waited forever because AR was waiting to see if he could get something closer to a market level QB deal. He did not. So he signed with us.

Maybe you could argue this re: the DK contract. But at least some of this was out of our hands. The league forces a set amount of cash spending every 3 year period. This is the 2nd year in that 3 year span. I believe we were below that value last year and are just at it this year. If we didn't sign DK, we'd be way under. That would force us to spend a **** ton of cash next year to just make the grade. I do think we felt like we "needed" to make a big cash deal like this. And WR was a clear weakness on the team with us wanting to get rid of GP. I do agree that this "desperation" forced us to give DK more guarantees than we have ever given a player with zero 1st team APs.

A desperate team would probably have signed an NFL caliber WR2 as well IMO.

 

Not the AP coach of the year award.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP_NFL_Coach_of_the_Year

Cowher is the only Steelers coach to win the award (1992).

He did win the Pro Football Writers Coach of the Year Award 2x.
https://www.profootballwriters.org/on-field-awards/pfwa-coach-of-the-year/

They give 2x awards every year (one in each conference). ETA: So they are really giving "Coaches of the year awards"

He won in 1983 (10-6, 1st playoff game) and 1989 (9-7, won the WC, lost the divisional).

 

He's already the 3rd highest paid coach in the league. And coaching in Pittsburgh means you have the best job security of any HC in the league.

 

He was AFC coach of the year (1969 and 1989) but to my point he was never NFL Coach of the Year. Bill Cowher won it in 2004, but neither Noll or Tomlin has won it. To the link below Tomlin hasn't won Jack Squat, unless I am missing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_Coach_of_the_Year_awards

 

This idea is coming from a Raven or Patriot fan i assume. A way to rub salt in our wounds. Nothing gets me more excited than hearing Tomlin might be GONE. We're being teased with a chance at the Steelers becoming relevant again. Sigh. It's not happening because Rooney hates us...all of us. He's laughing every day and already thinking about how soon he can extend Tomlin again, greatly overpay him for mediocrity and give a word salad press release about "patience running thin" on playoff failures. Yada, yada, yada.

I too wonder if any team would hire Tomlin. Why? What has he done to garner any attention, but I know there are GMs/owners that would love some name recognition and an easy hire. "It's Mike Tomlin. If you don't have a Mike Tomlin, you're looking for a Mike Tomlin"

I know, I know, I am mocking Dubas and his quote about Mike Sullivan, but Sullivan is just about the same as Tomlin is. Successful for a few seasons, when al the stars aligned and assistant coaches could overcome the head coaches mediocrity. Once top shelf players roster becomes more just good, but not great, both have turned into pumpkins. Sullivan is VERY medicore. So is Tomlin, probably sub-mediocre if we're being honest.

Tomlin should be gone, we all know that, even the reasoning-challenged backers on this board know this in their brains, they just keep shoving sense back into their brains closet.
Rooney won't allow Tomlin to be gone, so the suffering will continue...with no end in site.

 

I know. GEEZZZZ, some of these people make me laugh with the .....He won a playoff game since, and totally discount the fact that since that playoff win a lot of those teams haven't sniffed a playoff since that lone win. LoL. They act like if we had won one playoff game the last 3 years, but lost so much we couldn't even get to the playoffs again, they would be cool with that.

 

We knew who Wilson and Fields were. Obviously we didn’t want to run that back. We tried for Stafford and for the QB that went to Seattle it didn’t work out. After going through that process Fields understood he wasn’t a first priority here and quickly signed with the Jets. At that point in FA the most viable option was Rodgers. It wasn’t that we weren’t willing to pay fair market value for him. He wasn’t looking for money on thus deal at all, so I don’t know where you got your information from. He wasn’t looking holding out because he wasn’t sure he even wanted to play anymore. His supposed preference was Minnesota by the way.

Regardless we made some dum decisions you can call it desperation or clouded judgement or whatever but signing a 34 year old cb who is a zone heavy cb to play on a man heavy scheme just isn’t wise. But we keep on doing this with players over and over and over. How about Kendrick Greene to C?
It’s arrogance on our part to think we know what is best for said player. How many more aging cb’s do we need to sign before we figure it out? I know the scouting department knows some of these aging vets aren’t worth signing. It’s obvious that Tomlin is driving these decisions.

The concerning part is these poor decisions keep happening within the organization. That tells me Tomlin doesn’t allow the Scouts to provide honest assessments, or the information does flow freely and honestly within the organization to enlighten Tomlin to prevent these poor decisions from continuing to happen year after year. It’s not a good situation for the organization. Tomlin has grown too big for the organization. Either he doesn’t value other opinions or people are afraid to voice them. That’s my observation. Yes desperate teams do what we did this year signing a ton of aging talent. At least we did it without sacrificing future draft capital so we smart about that.

 

The longer Tomlin stays in Pittsburgh, more the hate against him will rise as I don’t see him winning any playoff games. If he leaves now, there will still be love for him. If he stays, he could become the hmost hated man in Pittsburgh. If I was Tomlin, I would leave Pittsburgh for Giants if that opportunity arises.

 

Maybe Rooney just hates YOU! He doesn't know me, I doubt he hates me. Might just be a you problem!

 

I would go to the Giants too if I were him. They have a heck of a young offensive nucleas to build around with Dart, Scattebo and Nabors. They have an unsung superstar in Brian Burns on defense who already has 11 sacks this year. The future of the Giants looks a lot more promising compared to the Steelers. If Tomlin would go there next year and go 10-7 they would have a parade for him.

 

Kendrick Green was a bad pick...although the real issue in that draft IMO was Freiermuth. He's a good player, but we needed a C instead of a new toy for Ben. And we were lucky that a very good C prospect fell to us.

Colbert had a string of good drafts for most of his career. But he wasn't good at it by the end (if drafting is actually a skill you can be good at vs. just getting lucky).

But we made a luxury pick at TE, when we already had a starter at TE on the roster (Ebron). Ebron did get hurt. But going into the season with Ebron + Humphrey would have been much better than PF and Green. Particularly since we often seem to forget that PF is on the team. So much so that this year we got a guy who's essentially the same player as PF thrown in as a sweetener in a trade.

But that was 2021.

I think bringing in Slay was a pretty typical Steelers signing. Particularly for CB2, where we haven't really done too much historically. We've relied on pass rush way more than CB play since at least Cowher was hired (Woodson was "Noll's player").

I think we did a reasonable job for a team that's trying to compete for a playoff spot but doesn't want to blow a bunch of money on UFAs (outside of DK who's at least still earlyish in his prime) or draft capital on trades (because we are hoping we can cobble some kind of trade together for a QB to draft when we have the draft at home next year IMO).

Unfortunately, that generally means the UFAs you bring in are going to be older guys who were better when they were younger. Or younger guys who were never really good.

And it's not like we were finished after we brought Slay in. After that we made a blockbuster trade giving away an all-pro S for an all-pro CB so we could move Slay to CB3. Unfortunately, we've had CBs hurt most of the year. And the hole we made a S couldn't be filled by Thornhill (which is why I wasn't a fan of giving up Minkah, who wasn't making game breaking plays but freed us up to play a ton of cover-1 while giving up some of the fewest explosive passing plays in the league).

We wouldn't have given up the draft capital (and probably shouldn't have). But I wonder what round pick they Dolphins would have taken to get Ramsey off their books while still letting us keep Minkah? Or if we ponied up some cash for at least an average NFL starter at S (which is one of the cheaper positions in the league).

 

to me he already burnt all the love pittsburgh bridges

 

Nope

 

It’s far fetched for sure but one can hope

 

I don’t know of if I would say Slay was can number 3. He was our starting outside cb opposite Porter. Ramsey was brought in as a chess piece mainly to be moved around but primarily play in the slot with some safety duties and occasionally outside. We couldn’t stick with that because JPJ got hurt. So in theory Slay was our third best but he wasn’t the third cb if that makes sense.

‘what baffles me is why go get a zone cb? It doesn’t fit what we are trying to do. What really compliments the pass rush is pressman and get up in their face and disrupt the timing and don’t allow short quick passes. It forces the qb to hold onto the ball to give the -ass rush an extra half second to get there. But we play off when in man unless it’s Porter or we play very loose zone. So the QB just nickel and dimes us with short quick passes-asses down the field and neutralizes our pass rush. It’s essentially what we did to combat the Browns pass rush this year with a lot of screens as well. The Chargers did on defense to is exactly what I thought and was hoping the Steelers were going to do this year. They played press man and put a lot of pressure on Rodgers. He couldn’t wait for the receivers to get open and he was nervous and jittery all day.

 

Yep.

Chuck Noll was named NFL Coach of the Year in 1989, and also received other coach of the year awards, including UPI AFC Coach of the Year in 1972 and 1976. He was recognized with the Maxwell Club NFL Coach of the Year award in 1989, the same year he received the official NFL honor.

• 1989: Noll received the NFL Coach of the Year award and the Maxwell Club NFL Coach of the Year award after leading the Pittsburgh Steelers to a 9-7 record and a playoff appearance.
• 1972: He was named AFC Coach of the Year by UPI. This was a significant season, as the Steelers won their first-ever AFC Central Division Championship.
• 1976: Noll was also named AFC Coach of the Year by the Football News.

 

What is the "NFL Coach of the Year Award"?

As I said in my post upthread, never AP Coach of the Year.

I'm pretty sure that the AP award is the "real" award.

Just like the AP All Pro teams are the "real" ones (for HoF consideration anyway).

In part because two of the "Coach of the Year" awards you've listed here are "Coaches of the year" awards because they give two awards every year.

The awards you're talking about are better than the "Noll's Mom thinks he's a great coach" award. But they aren't really what people mean when they say coach of the year.

Again, AP Coach of the Year winners can be found here.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/awards/ap-coach-of-the-year.htm

Noll never won.

Cowher is the only Steelers coach who won (1992).

Mostly because we're rarely considered to be bad enough before the season starts to get the "most underrated team by the media in the off season" award. Which is really what the coach of the year is about.

 

They are awards. I'm pretty sure they don't award second place. I will let you defer to whether they are good enough.

IMO, Noll deserved coach of the year in our first super bowl appearance.

As for the title of the thread,

Trade Tomlin to Giants, I take it you are for my opinion.