PFF: This Can't Be True, Can It?

From this chart Jones is middle of the pack or better which at this stage of his career is fantastic

What are you complaining about

 

You can’t read this but it still tells you Meyer is stupid

Seriously

 

Let me get this straight. You don’t know what you’re looking at, but you’re going to make up something to complain about anyway.

 

Well based on this chart he has two first year starters at their positions already in the middle of the pack

He got a bunch of rookies starting last year

Yeah I’m becoming a supporter

 

Disagreeing with something here and there doesn’t make everything the rank wrong

Too many people just eliminating pff as wrong and going fo4 the opposite

That makes zero sense

 

Pff is terrible when it doesn’t support their claims and the gospel when it does. It’s really that simple

 

You guys are trying to put lipstick on a pig. Trying to tell me Pat Meyer is doing a wonderful job and I should just ignore what I am seeing on the field and believe that PFF stats that are saying Broderick Jones is doing a wonderful job.

 

It's saying the Steelers should leave Jones on an island more often since he's just ok. It's when he gets help that he screws up I guess.

 

Sure that makes sense

 

The simple fact is it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re seeing on the field. You whined for years about Dotson and natural position, but ignore the fact the rams use a different blocking scheme than ours.

 

I've said it hundreds of times. I don't pay attention to PFF.
PFF= Pretty F**king Fake.
So I don't use them if I agree, or if I don't, unlike many do.
90% of the guys grading these players have never even stepped onto a football field. Does this make them stupid, no, does it make them wrong , no, but You will never get me to believe a guy that threw 1 td, threw 2 ints, lost a fumble, and lost the game had a better day than a guy who ran a td, threw 2 tds, had no turnovers, and won the game did worse.....I don't give 2 f**ks how PFF tries to explain it.

 

I’m surprised you have never mentioned this before

 

You can't be this stupid. Broderick Jones is having problems and Pat Meyer is not helping at all.

Why you continue to defend Pat Meyer is beyond STUPID!!!

 

Well, yes... in pass block win rate (on an island specifically), I'd expect him to be better than Moore. That was Moore's main flaw. He was garbage in pass pro.

I'm less worried about him being better than Moore, I'm more worried that it looks like Fautanu and Jones are roughly average when it comes to Tackles in pass protection. Both were first round picks, and it would be nice for one of them to be better than "average"... It is also concerning that they are both in the top 12 in "being left on an island". Is that on the scheme? Or are teams just sending the house a lot so that it keeps us in 1 on 1 situations?

For our offense to improve the OL needs to carry their weight. They've largely been bad this season.

 

Very confused about how the OTs are 'left on an island' so much and yet the TEs only run routes on less than half their snaps.

What the hell is going on?

 

what a joke!

 

Don't look now but Jones is ranked ahead of Dan Moore by SIS.

Moore - 11 blown pass blocks; 3 penalties (holding)
Jones - 6 blown pass blocks; 0 penalties (of course, someone might argue you have to actually do something to get a penalty)

 

I don't need PFF to understand what's going on with the team. Just more hacks with a platform.

 

Looks more like 6.8 out of 10 they are left on an island, also looks like 7 of 8 are successful. Stretch that out to 30 dropbacks and they will each be 1:1 on about 20 of them, and of those 20, about 2 1/2 will be negative plays by them - sack, pressure, batted down. That does not include plays where they get help.

I'd like to see the numbers on just the Vikings game. In that game, they added a tackle 36%, used Washington 91%, and used Heyward 30%, more than either Smith or PF. I'm sure that was mostly run blocking, but had to also support pass protection. Wondering what the numbers show in providing help for Jones and Fautanu, and if this signals a change.

 

The chart shows Steeler OTs are roughly average in terms of winning % 1-1 with no help. It also shows they are put in that situation a lot more often than average (only 12 other OTs in the league are put in that situation more often).

That seems to agree with what I see on TV: our OTs are average, but because the scheme puts them more in 1-1 situations that their peers, they get beat more times than their peers.

For example, if you suck at 1-1 blocking, but the scheme *always* helps you with a TE, you will never fail because you weren't put in the position to fail.

Steeler OTs are average, but they are put in losing situations more often than not, so the total # of times they fail is higher (i.e. not % higher, but the total sum), and that's what we see and complain as fans.

What is amazing to me is that Steelers are very very low in # of snaps per game, and they run a pile of multiple TE formations, yet the % of times were the OTs are 1-1 is near the top of the league.

Change the freaking scheme and the useless coach, and the average OTs will not "appear" as bad.

 

That is the correct conclusion. I guess the subjective part of it is: should two #1 draft picks (one with 3 years experience playing OT for the team, the other with a bit last year) be average, or better than average?

 

Couldn't agree more. Watching TJ play, you see him chipped or doubled on almost every play, but we watched Dan Moore go against Garrett twice a year with barely any help. That's why I'm encouraged by the snap counts last game. I didn't watch it but will look this week for additional blocking help, especially against Garrett.