Things I've Heard on Here.

Did he win it twice??
I couldn't remember, I thought only once, but my memory of that time is long ago.

 

Yup twice. Some people said Stallworth shouldve gotten it but it went to Terry again.

 

Bradshaw won SB MVP twice, but I was talking about NFL MVP he won it in 1978.

 

You're like a dog with his bone.
Are you satisfied with our playoff success?
Tell me this, what do you consider the ultimate goal and purpose of a team playing an NFL season?
Do you consider Tomlin a top coach, a solid coach or a mediocre coach?
Do you think we have searched for improvments in coordinators when needed?
Do you think we have good game plans against GOOD teams in December and January?

I'd say, if we're both being impartial, that most everyone on this board is correct.
Tomlin probably isn't THAT bad of a coach (some of us would like an improvment, but there are far worse retreads, admittedly)
Steelers are rarely as good as their 9-8 or 10-7 record and it shows (this is something you must admit)

If you admit Tomlin and his choices of OC/DC have been merely average the past 15 years, I'll admit Tomlin is a solid head coach that seems to lack a key ingredient in his choices to make any noise in the playoffs.

There's some good and some bad.
Unfortunately, the bad means Super Bowl win may not be in our future until Tomlin finally retires. We know at this point he won't be fired (perhaps unfortunate for diehard fans, perhaps not).

 

No I'm not satisfied with how it's ended, but unlike a bunch on here, I'm not satisfied with a playoff win either, it either SB, or bust always.
What I'm not is dumb enough to think our couching sucks, we can't develop players, the whole NFL knows everything we run year in, and year out on Offense, and Defense, and yet somehow by some undefined magic we still average 10.5 wins a season, but hey if magic make people believe that's how we do it, then who I'm I to tell them that Santa doesn't exist.
People laugh at the magic part, but if You , or anyone actually believes that they can't coach, or develop players, and everyone know exactly what we are running, then how would you explain it.
What bothers most people that actually believe this stuff is.... .when put to them, they have no answer, so they try being flippant.....it's just human nature in some people, and for those that say it's turnovers, well then either one of two things explains that......either they are coaching that very well, or we have magic. LoL

 

Ok, I thought that also.

 

If the coaching is so bad from top to bottom....who got Mason McCormick ready to play at an NFL level? Who helped make Ryan McCollum a viable NFL back-up?

Just two examples. Steelers message boards like to have player success be a 100% player thing and player failure a 100% coaching thing.

Makes almost no sense.

 

Prefer to have first rounders work out because that tells us the scouts (and coaches) seemed to get it right.

 

We all would, but that's why we see 1st round guys fall out on every team in the NFL. For example: go look at KCs last five years 1st round draft picks, and Ive heard on here many, many , many times that Andy Reid is a genius. What I'm getting at is it happens. Although maybe, just maybe Jones turns it around for us.

 

Well you appear to want to blame the talent and not the scheme. Let’s go with that for a second. The talent on this team is playing way below their pedigree. They either have aged or are a poor fit for the scheme. Either way Tomlinson is still culpable for the product he is putting on the field. He needs to go.

 

Different players,same result!

 

Exactly but be careful you use that logic and STD gets offended and tells you how stupid you are and you don’t know football. All hail thy great and wonderful Tomlin. He must have a shrine to the guy or something.

 

The Tomlin Groupies are a lost cause.

 

I hesitated posting this notion:


But here goes:


If MT et alwere hired in 2015, not 2007, everyone would be saying "This coaching regime can only take us so far, time for a change"

It happened in NE with Bellicheat, it all went one way too long.

At some point we've got to do something else.

 

agreed....each **** SHOW game I hope is another nail in this regimes coaching coffin - today SUCKED and so did last week, for that matter.

 

Tomlinson biggest issue is himself. It’s the same issue Belichick had. These guys become too big for the franchise, they become set in their ways and too rigid. They both had Franchise QB’s to hide some of their weaknesses as a coach. Tomlin’s biggest issue however is his unwillingness to hire qualified and innovative talent in the coaching department. He is a smart guy. I don’t know why. Is it fear of being shown up or losing his voice to someone better and smarter than him? Is it ego? It doesn’t make sense to me. He was pliable and adaptive when he was younger. He was willing to accept having great coaches underneath him. I feel like the coaches under Tomlin has gotten progressively worse the longer Tomlin coaches.

 

Hubris often accompanies success, yeah I think it's ego in both cases. Instead of thinking "Hold on, the game is changing, I need to surround myself with new idead and voices" they doubled down.

Saban at 'Bama to some extent was the same thing, your message gets old, your ideas get superceded, but he got out at the right time. 'Bama has been on the downslope for some time. Though that's easier to conceal in college with so many gimme games.

It was stale at Alabama, stale at NE, and it's been stale here for years.

You gotta blow it up and start again.

 

The thing is Tomlin would be a great HC if he was just responsible for building team culture and motivating the players. Then let really good coordinators and assistants actually do the X’s and O’s and game plan and coach the team during the game.

 

My 7-10 prediction is about right. Actually 7 wins may be asking too much.

 

This concept happens all the time in European football, great managers just go on too long, and are resistant to change. Sports pass everyone by if you hang around long enough. This is what's happened here.

 

What are your ods in Rodgers imploding on Arthur Smith or the Pat Meyer? Within five games , seven games?

 

The only game the steelers have a chance to win a game against the NFC north this season,this is in Chicago...They will be 1-3 at best against this division

 

I think Tomlin would be a great college coach. He loves to recruit and mentor two of the more important rules by a college HC.

 

Yeah, I could see that. On the other hand you can't lean on vets for 10 years, I think that would hurt him. If you look at Saban, all time great coolege HC, absolutely stunk in the NFL, knew it, and never went back, lots of other coaches of tried to switch and found the same thing, Booby Petrino off the top of my head. Chip Kelly was a disaster, but a very good college HC.

But he does have the skill set for mentoring and recruiting, Tomlin might have even been a better HC, in an earlier era when rosters were less fluid year to year.

Here's another one Dabo Swinney is another guy finding the game has moved on, but he's doubling down.