Worried about Oline

This is what I was trying to get him to think about.

 

It don't take 2-3 years normaly....When you have a great o-line coach,it help big time.Coaching matter

 

PFF....LoL. LoL.
The same PFF that said the T. Edmunds was a better safety than Minkah, the same PFF that said Garrett is better than Watt, that PFF.
I've tried telling many that Moore wasn't as bad as they thought, but people that don't know what to look for automatically think if He gave up a sack , it was his fault....., and there is no way You can say that Moore didn't get better when we changed the OL coach.

 

Wow. Can we put this in chapter form and maybe add an index?

 

Really? That’s funny because offensive lineman say it takes 3-4 years before they really put it together.

 

Bull$hit. It's an average 3-4 years thing, and that's with most of the OL playing together during that time. Not one OL for 2 years, another for none, another for 1, and another for 3. This is not something that I've made of the top of My head, but is something that is a known. Of course there are outliers, but there is, and always will be outliers in everything.
Now think, Pouncey was good from day one, and about how long was it before everyone started looking good on the line??? Stop regurgitating , and think. Nobody is say Muchack isn't good, or taking away from him, but they were on the way to getting good anyway.
Same with sophomore slumps, not every rookie goes through it but so many do that it became a term, and it's not because of they're not coaching them up, it's because other teams now have actual NFL game tape on them, and they can't just rely on what they did the 1st year, but must progress. All of this stuff is real.

 

Some are unable to admit coaching matter even in obvious case like the impact of Mike Munchak had on the steelers and the Jeff Fisher vs Sean McVay thing

I guess,it was just a coincidance

 

I agree with everything after the first sentence and pretty much stated such in multiple posts prior

But with all the young talent he has to work with if there is not appreciable development then he is toast

If he isn’t doing the job a contract extension ain’t not none gonna happen

 

Imagine this year if Jones has a good start but he is out for the year after the 6th game and that Frazier is out of the year before the season start....Everybody would be in a panic mode and no way the steelers would survive that under Meyer...But it was what happened to the steelers 10 years ago when Pouncey was out for the year and our LT was out after 6 games but the steelers survive from that because of Mike Munchak.....

Coaching matter

 

@S.T.D does that to me

Sometimes I swear he responds before I even post

 

What happens if it plays out just as you’ve written, but our line succeeds overall? Are you going to admit you were wrong? I bet you won’t. Something more along the lines of moving the goalposts like you always do. Additionally is everything else equal? The same talent at the remaining positions? The same depth? Actually compare apples to apples.

 

Holy crap the world may not be ending

 

Nice moving the goal post. Very well thought out, I'm done trying to teach your .......a$$ anything. You go on, and be a sheep, or a parrot most people are, so you will fit in nicely.
By the way....I do believe Fisher took a team to the SB in Tennessee. Name Me another HC to do the same in Tennessee , and He also beat Your lover Cowher in the playoffs the only time they went against each other in the playoffs, but hey he sucks.
Only an idiot doesn't think coaching matters, but an even bigger idiot thinks players don't.

 

Harris didn’t suck. His issue was he was too slow for outside zone. Yes I know he ran it in college but it didn’t translate to the NFL. His vision was average. He ran right up the Olines backs sometimes when there wasn’t a hole and missed the cutback.

I liked him much better run through A and B Gaps in a power offense with a head if steam. He probably would have done well with the Chargers but they drafted a rookie they are gonna use now. He probably will end up being a journeyman now.

I know we tried zone under Canada and we struggled. That’s my point. We have not been able to coach up the oline and the blocking scheme to match what the OC is trying to do. We either lacked the players or were deficient in the coaching.

you look at teams like the Ravens or San Fran and they have more coaches dedicated to coaching the Oline. They have carrying pedigree in their lines but they seem to do very well year after year as a whole unit.

why can’t we do that? How much time and grace do we need to give the oline coach here? I lump Tomlin in there as well because he makes the coaching hires and sticks with these guys.

James Harrison said Tomlin is a players coach for sure. He said there is a good side to it and a bad side to it. He gives these guys a ton of wiggle room to grow and develop and make mistakes which can be good but a lot of times those mistakes and their lack of growth can really hurt the team especially on the oline when it has to play as a unit.

I think the long leash with both Jones and Meyer has been more than generous. I really hope there is accountability this year and changes are made if there is a lack of development for the sake of the other players and the team.

 

Let’s hope so. I’ll gladly eat crow if Jones develops and praise Tomlin and Meyer. I think he is the linchpin to this offenses success this year.

 

Dag gone you I don’t have a good comeback for this one. I will say though when the guy gives up outside pressure quite a bit I’m not sure who else to blame.

 

if it’s an average if 3-4 years the. How do certain teams seemingly plug and play new Olineman every other year like the Ravens as one example.

OC’s and HC’s don’t even get 3-4 years in today’s NFL. It can’t be 3-4 years. Owners won’t accept that.

 

Dan Moore 4th round draft pick forced into starting as a rookie due to an injury week 1 and Steelers fans spend the next 4 years whining

 

Some of those outside pressures would have been passed up the field like tackles are supposed to do, but when a Qb spins into the lane, or floats into a lane, well who's fault is that??? I'm not by any long shot saying Moore is awesome, but he was hell of a lot better than people say, and I believe Tennessee thinks so also.

 

Well if You have a Good OL already, one additional new guy is not going to mess up things too bad. Hell we've seen that here, but if everyone is different, a one year player here, a 2 year player there, a no year player there, that's way different.
Also....go tell that to the Ravens fans, because they think their OL sucks.

 

Yes

 

You mean,the game that the steelers had their worst defense under Cowher and they had Tommy Maddox as QB against a mvp caliber player in McNair but the game have still been in overtime?

The problem with Fisher,was not the start of his career but it was late in his career when he was outdated at the end and he was unable to adapt in the current rule of the NFL

 

what do you mean how do I know? Well let’s see his historical coaching record previous to the Steelers was t very good. The Olines development or lack there of hasn’t been great since he has been here with players like Seamalu or Jones or even Daniels was mid.

these guys don’t have a lot of time to develop units or players now. Time costs a lot of money. You take 4 years to develop a guy that’s nearly half his career. That’s insane. Either the scheme is way to complex for these guys to grasp or there are fundamental flaws.

I will give Meyer some grace in that we changed OC’s so the blocking scheme changed and we may not have had the right players for the scheme but then why not adjust the scheme to fit the players until you can get the right players in place?

the Center from a couple years ago was a perfect example of this. He was too slow to zone block. I guess when you transition like this it’s the ugly part of the process.

still no grace on Meyer with Nones though. They are going on year three together. The rest of the players were pretty much handpicked for wide zone so this is the year for them to prove it.

 

Good point. Pickett and Wilson were both guilty of that. I guess we were spoiled with having Big Ben back there for so long shrugging off sacks.

I know Tennessee is high on him but with their recent track record on players that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement of their ability to judge the talent of a player.

obviously the Steelers saw a need to upgrade from the guy that’s why they drafted Jones.