Worried about Oline

Smart guy too.

 

1. Because the current OL coach hasn't been here for 5 years, and.....
2. Because none of the OL has been here for 5 years.

 

Ok....now read what You wrote, and tell me what the difference is between then , and now, and think about it. If You need help, I will break it down for you.
Also You keep bringing up Pouncey like He wasn't good from day one, without Munchak.

 

This is Meyers year to sink or swim

 

I talk as a unit they were not good before 2014

 

Ok

I dislike him a little less

 

Absolutely

Contract year

4 plus young guys to mold

**** or get off the pot

 

I don’t know that is true. People love to point to brod, but ignore Frazier. Ignore the fact McCormick was forced into starting as a rookie 4th round pick. As much as people love to ***** about Moore he just got paid in a big way. The point being you can’t ignore success for lack of a better term and only go by failure. Once again for lack of a better term. Jones was drafted as a raw prospect. He very well might fail, but he also might put it together. How many times have we heard from former offensive linemen that it isn’t until year 4?

people also ignore the injuries. We had 5 different offensive line combinations through 6 games last season. I think the year before it was 17 different line combinations. That crap makes a huge difference.

 

You’re ignoring pouncey being out for a year. Decastro being out for a year. Since you love statistics so much go look at the offensive line rankings for 2012, 2013. We were near the bottom in 2012. Middle of the pack in 2013. Really throws water on your claims it all get fixed in 2014.

 

Pouncey was also out in the entire 2015 season and the o-line was still very good despite the backup center was below average(our starter at the LT position was also out of the year after the 6th game that year).....The o-line in 2013 was complete trash in the first 8 games....They gave up 30 sacks in the first 9 games in a Todd Haley offense who was a quick pass offense,so middle of the pack in 2013,NO....Big reason why they had a 2-6 start that year....They improve for the rest of the year when the responsability of this unit was to someone else but it was too late for that year

If you don't see the impact that Munchak had on our o-line,I don't know what to said

 

We went from damn near the bottom of the league to average from one year to the next. You can try an dissect it into part of the season if you want, but that dumbass fame with. Talking rankings for the entire season. I’m not discounting munchaks ability. Simply pointing out the arrow was already pointing up despite your repeated claims munchak fixed everything. Do you think 11 turnovers might have played a role in those 4 losses to start the season? Let me guess munchak fixed that too

 

The o-line in 2013 was the biggest reason why they had a 2-6 start....It was like the worse offensive line play on a span of 2 month in the last 25 years by the steelers.It was just brutal....It would never happen under Munchak(or even under a average o-line coach),this is for sure,even if Pouncey would been out of the year after the first offensive drive of the season

 

The oline has stunk for five years. One of those years was without Meyer. He has had more than enough time to coach up the Oline.

He failed with Dotson who went elsewhere and flourished.
He failed when he coached at Carolina yet we hired him for some reason. Not sure why.

Frazier has played well but is that more on Frazier inspite of Meyer? The real coaching comes when you have young moldable talent. Can they develop them or not. Munchack did it with Villonouava. Can Meyer do it with Jones? So far no. This is his last year in my mind it has to be. If he can’t develop the guy and the oline as a unit doesn’t improve he has to go.

I think it was extremely risky to keep him on this year with everything we put into this team this year if the oline fails it’s on Tomlin and Meyer. Who else do you pin it on?

 

Since you quoted me before edit I’ll respond again. Do you think 11 turnovers played a role in losing those first 4 games? How many of those sacks were on roethlisberger for hanging onto the ball? You love to try and use statistics to make a point, but don’t understand they don’t tell the whole story. They always leave out significant details. Since you love statistics so much go check out the correlation between `turnovers and losses

 

Turnovers can correlate with poor blocking such as strip sacks etc. Once again you seem to be arguing just for the sake of arguing.

 

Turnovers are easier to have on defense when you are up in the scoreboard and more likely to happen on offense when you are down and you need to force thing.....Just to look the moment that the steelers offense had turnovers in those games,they were for the most part way behind in the scoreboard...Yes the defense were awful too but they were not much better after that year when Shazier was not super human

Roethlisberger had never gave up so much sacks in a 9 games span under Arians and this make no sense that he would gave more sacks in a Todd Haley offense

The reality,this offensive line were a true dumspter fire and Munchak save this unit in 2014 and after that and they were able to always overcome injuries under him.It was the same thing when he was the o-line coach with the titans

 

You reference Dan Moore. He was one of the worst rated LT’s in all of professional football lat year according to PFF. I don’t need PFF to tell me what my eyes see though. Dotson didn’t look good here and then turned into an All Pro when he left. mcCormick and Frazier along with Fauttanu seem like they are self motivated and will all turn out to be good players for us with Frazier and Fautunu potentially being very good. I happen to believe it is in spite of Meyer. These guys needed alot less development than Jones does. In my mind Meyers grade as a coach is directly correlated with wo things. Jones development as a player and the Oline unit as a whole. Both have not been very good. We can’t run the ball well especially from a zone block perspective. Part of that could have been Najhee we will see. We had one good half a year under Meyer so far running the ball when we switched to a power scheme. Our pass blocking has been poor for Meyer’s whole tenure.

Seamalu has regressed.
Jones hasn’t developed in fact has gotten worse.
Dotson was up and down and generally mistake prone until he left and flourished.
The LT we cut and went to New England was a mess.
Dan Moore was serviceable at times but generally one of the worst LT’s in the league.
Frazier was good.
McCormick was ok at times but sloppy.

If Fautunu , Frazier, McCormick and Seamalu come together this year and progress as a unit and Jones still is floundering I will give Meyer and Tomlin a pass provided they put another option in, in place of Jones and don’t blindly stick with Jones just because of his pedigree. I happen to think he is one of the worst Tackles we have ever had. Part of it is just his body language he just doesn’t look like he wants to be there. He has the same attitude from afar the Dionte Johnson has looking at it from a fans perspective. I just like to see effort especially from a professional. I don’t see it with Jones. He literally looks like he doesn’t care and like he isn’t doing anything to get better. I hope I am wrong. Again these are observations from afar so I could be wrong but body language matters.

 

So if you’re going to use pff as a reference don’t you dare turnaround and complain when they rate someone poorly you like. People love to play that dumbass game. Botch about pff one minute and then try to use them as a source in the next. How much of dotsons success with la was due to switching to a power/gap scheme as opposed to the zone we use? That is what he was good at and still is. Kahn and weidl brought in Seamalu for a reason. Hes better at what we wanted to do without dotson’s penalty issues. Once again yall ignore things like injuries. I pointed out earlier we had 5 different line combinations through 6 games last season. Thats a big deal for any offensive line, but yall ignore it go for low hanging fruit

 

Good point on PFF. I don’t really respect them, but you do notice how I said that Moore didn’t pass the eye test either when I watched him with my own eyes. He started out last year ok but then reverted to his old habits and inconsistencies. I will say at least Moore seemed like he cared. I can’t seem to get a really on Jones if he even cares or not. When he was demoted that one game last year for Fautanu he didn’t seem that upset. Just his body language annoys the crap out of me.

You bring up another excellent point. We converted to this zone blocking scheme yet we didn’t have the right players for it. Why force a square peg into a round hole? That is on Tomlin and being unbelievably stubborn. It was clear that Najhee wasn’t a good fit for that last year yet we kept running it.

Your third point of all of the injuries is exactly what i have been talking about with this Strength and Conditioning staff. They literally wrote an article about it to the extent people within the organization are not happy with the Strength and Conditioning staff and yet we made no changes. I understand the importance of continuity but Tomlin is “to late” and sometimes completely resistant to make change when it is obvious change is necessary. Ryan Clark said it is his biggest weakness. I think Tomlin is a nice guy and he is very loyal to his coaches and players to a fault sometimes. I sincerely hope that loyalty doesn’t cloud his judgment with Jones this year when or if he doesn’t play well on the Oline.

 

I really hope I don't see Washington play LT this year. Seems like this would be taking chess piece off the board for the Red Zone offense.

Steelers Massive TE Open to Position Change

 

IDK if he can play the position, but I do not see a chess piece being taken off the board. He might have to report as a receiver on those specific downs an another guy is brought in, you o what you have to do.

 

We didn’t really convert to a zone blocking system. We’ve been using it for a while. Canada had more of a split zone than the wide zone smith loves. Canada also seemed to use power/gap at times. As for your comments about Tomlin and Harris. It seemed pretty clear to me the reason they didn’t pickup Harris’ option year is they wanted to see how he would do in a wide zone based system. Harris didn’t suck. Nor was he lacking in vision. Hes a damn good back that didn’t fit what smith wants to do offensively. Thats one of the problems with changing coaches/coordinators etc. They want to do things a certain way and the players have to be a fit. Prior to the injury I would have bet dollars to donuts Steelers fans would be whining about Harris being successful with the chargers, but ignore the scheme. Just more of the usual bs from the usual suspects. Ryan Clark isn’t the first former player to say Tomlin is stubborn. One of authur Moares’ podcasts he and Vince williams said the same. However, they also pointed out how frequently it was them not doing what they were supposed to do. An example he gave was he was complaining about a play and what he was supposed to be doing on that play. The answer was get to the flat. Tomlin was like why aren’t you getting to the flat. They did as they were supposed to and voila. There’s another example from hard knocks last season. I think it was vs the chiefs. All weeek long they talked about the importance of getting to the flat to stop player?. They even had shirts made up about it. What did our defense do in the game? They got beat to the flat and subsequently got their asses beat.

 

Again for the umpteenth time....how would You know, half the line just got here??? GEEZZZZ!!!, and some didn't even play really yet.....so again.....how do You know???? Answer....You don't, You are just complaining about something we haven't even seen yet.

 

And how long does a unit of OL usually take to work together , and get good....in average??? Now keep thinking about what You said earlier.