Cowher’s coaching tree

I am who Ms. Cleo calls when she wants to know what the Steelers, woulda/shoulda done.
Cmon now.... Of course Arians was next man up. Suggesting that isn't much of a stretch.

 

You can't have it both ways, and You are trying. All the coaches in Cowhers tree, and most everyone's trees were hired by someone else beforehand. Cowher made him a Wrs coach, and Tomlin made Him a SB winning OC.....which one do you think influenced him being hired as a HC....like I said Arians has already said who He thinks it was.
Again I will wait on the HCs that came from Cowher that have won SBs as a HC. Tomlin has one, but Hey I understand if you think the more shots fired, counts more than the actual hits.
Belichick has a awesome tree How many have won any outside of Belichick??? We already know many GMs aren't too bright. Can You say Watson as a easy example.

 

No that is a stretch. You have no clue, and neither do I of who was next, or even if they would have kept him on Cowhers staff, or if would have gotten a job elsewhere. To say any different is fantasy. Not all coaches have moved up under Cowher, or under anyone. You know this. To say it would have happened at best is guesswork, but we don't have to guess....in the real world Tomlin made Him a OC.

 

Popcorn almost lost to Whisenhunt/Cardinals with Cowher's team in XLIII.... and thankfully he didn't thanks to the absolute Herculean effort of Ben Roethlisberger, James Harrison and Santonio Holmes. Whisenhunt was the Steelers OC during Ben's first 3 years. Whisenhunt was hired by Cowher and won SBXL as OC for Steelers.

 

Now we are not only guessing what might have happened, but we are doing almost. LoL
How far will Yous sink to try , and twist things. What's next ??? In a different dimension, another time-line, the 4th galaxy over, BizarreO world.

 

Again.. A coaching tree represents NFL franchises wanting to hire assistants away from a well run, successful football team. How the coaches do after they leave is irrelevant.

I already gave you Bruce Arians to add to Mike Tomlin's tree. To say Arians became a Super Bowl winning coach because of Tomlin is ridiculous.

 

So let me get this straight. You think it is a reach that Cowher would have made Arians OC once Whiz left, but you don't think it's a stretch that Mike Tomlin somehow turned Bruce Arians into a Super Bowl winning coach. Cmon man... In what way did Tomlin make Arians a better coach? How did Tomlin, a defensive coach, make Arians a better offensive mind?

 

Ok. I'm still waiting on the Belichick, or Cowher tree branches that won SBs as HCs, but hey they had a lot of branches, just nothing that bore fruit.
I understand what it represents, but how many times have we watched these franchise make bad decision , after bad decisions, so for me to hang my hat on a decision....it should bear fruit , not just be commended because it happened.

 

Answer this 1st. Did every Wrs coach under Cowher become a OC under Cowher??
Also.....the question isn't did Tomlin make Him a better HC, the Question is....did a branch of Tomlins become a SB winning HC....yes , or no?No??
If Cowher, or Belichick are so much better, and have so many more branches....where are their HCs with SBs. See how you can take stupid stuff like coaching trees, and twist it until it fits any narrative you want

 

Here is why you can't look at it the way you are trying to. Since we are talking about BA, how did he fare with the Cardinals??? Not so well. Send him to the Bucs and give him Tom Brady, all the sudden he's a great head coach. It is all in where you end up. Jim Haslett left to coach a bad Saints team. You can't blame Cowher for Jim not winning a Super Bowl there.

 

You do realize that BA coached for 3 different teams over a span of 9 years in between leaving the Steelers and winning a Super Bowl. Neither Mike Tomlin nor Bill Cowher had anything to do with that. Having Tom Brady in 2020 is the reason BA has a Super Bowl ring as a HC.

 

Like I said , it can be spun anyway You want, but You can find Arians giving credit to Tomlin in interviews, and because it can be spun this way, and that , is why coaching trees, like I said before all this stupid back, and forth started ,is a dumb way to judge a HC. Now if You want to judge them by how many were successful after they became a HC, I could see some reason of that,but not just because they were hired. So what .. GMs do stupid stuff all the time.

 

So wait a minute..... It just dawned on me. Bruce Arians was forced into early retirement by the Steelers. He was then hired by Chuck Pagano to be his OC in Indianapolis. That is a lateral move. Pagano ended up missing time with cancer and BA took over and turned the Colts around. After that is when he got hired to be the Cardinals head coach. So if Bruce Arians belongs on anyone's tree it is Chuck Pagano.

@S.T.D I am taking my branch back.

 

STD, its all good dude. I never (well barely ever) take anything on here personal. It's been nice arguing with you. It's been a while.

 

He won coach of the year in Arizona, and why can't I blame Haslett?? The very next HC took them to a SB.

 

Its totally cool.

 

LoL. See why coaching trees, and using them to judge a coach is dumb. So Chuck P, is a better HC than Tomlin, Cowher, and Belichick all rolled into one. LoL

 

No. Chuck Pagano was a below average head coach, and that is being kind. Coaching trees are only dumb when you use them the way you are trying too. Really that fact that some of these coaches flopped is a compliment to guys like Cowher and Belechick. The guys that flopped turned out to be rotten once they fell off the tree. But the tree remained strong.

 

STD is doing gods work for these HCs I tell you. Talk about a thankless job with getting 0 income from it.

 

LoL. See how it can be twisted to fit anyone's means?
Like So neither Tomlin, or Cowher could win a SB without Arians on their teams.
It's a stupid way of judging a HC, but no matter of what you say , as long as its against what I say, you will have the little kid click agree. LoL He hasn't learned to think for himself yet.

 

And Cowher had a losing record in the playoffs until that Super Bowl run in 2005, he's three games above .500 that's not well above . He owes that lone SB run and win to Ben.

 

I didn't know telling the truth was sticking up for anyone, or not going overboard in my feelings over facts.
If You say the sun is blue, and the biggest percentage of people say the sun is blue, I gotta go look, and tell the truth, that no the sun isn't blue. I don't care what a bunch of people say if it's not true but some people are born to be of mob mentality....it's facts that the political world, on both sides use daily. So you be you. LoL

 

Tomlin had Ben for 17 playoffs games vs only 6 for Cowher...If you want to remove the 2005 playoffs run of Cowher,you also need to remove the 2008 run of Tomlin.Tomlin is 5-11 in the playoffs without 2008

 

You could say that. That's why this whole who's better is dumb.