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Cowher’s coaching tree

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SteelerGlenn, Jan 21, 2024.

  1. AtlSteel

    AtlSteel Well-Known Member

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    Do not. Which one was that?
     
  2. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    I had/have a friend who was an assassin for the government

    We’d be in a bar and invariably some drunk would try to start something

    My friend would apologize and walk backwards to the door and leave

    I would put his money in my left pocket and mine in my right and go find another bar

    I never worried about him finding me that’s what he did for a living
     
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  3. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Cowher knew the importance of having good assistant around you!
     
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  4. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    And here is how stupid these coaching trees are. I know for a fact a of a few of them that didn't start under Cowher, but somehow he gets credit for it.
    For Example D. Capers started in New Orleans....I don't remember Cowher coaching there.
    Chan Gailey coached in Denver....hell he was Elways coach. I don't remember Cowher there either. I don't know about the rest, but I know for a fact they didn't get their start from Cowher.
    If You count these ,then Bruce Arians is from Tomlins coaching tree....You know the guy that won two HC of the year, and a SB.
     
  5. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    hi dob. haven't seen you in a while. alls good i hope.:cool:
     
  7. JAD

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    Cowher was quick to fire coordinators when they didn't produce, unlike Tomlin who holds onto them too long.
     
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  8. OB1

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    I miss Cowher. He added to the "fun" factor of game-watching by his enthusiasm, energy, and spitting on the sideline. Every time Bus ran over Ray Lewis, you knew there'd be spitting happening on the side line.
     
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  9. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Cowher Power!
     
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  10. Spock

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    My take on Vrabel is that he got a strip sack score against the Patriots to beat them in the waning minutes of the game. Belicheat is smart. He went full throttle to get Vrabel and Vrabel's talent with Belicheats schemes produced a formidable defense for several years.
     
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  11. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    Cowhers tree



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    Bags Tomlins tree
     
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  12. mikeyg

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    was very impressive.

    No coaching tree with current Coach.

    well, maybe a bush.....
     
  13. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Can’t remember what I ate yesterday but I remember that
     
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  14. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

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    ahhh SHEETZ
     
  15. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Arians :shrug:
     
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  16. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't fit the narrative. Now do Cowhers coaches that went on to win a SB as a HC......crickets...........
    The thing I hate most about this, is like the Ben, Bradshaw thing. It's got me saying negative things about someone I really liked.
     
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  17. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    STD, these coaching trees are only stupid because they don't fit your narrative.

    Dom Capers and Chan Gailey did coach other places before joining Cowher's staff. But they were hired as head coaches based on the success they had during their respective time with the Steelers.

    Cowher built a stable program filled with quality coaches that created a culture. Coaches that failed to produce (Ray Sherman, Tim Lewis, etc) were let go. Cowher's teams were known for emotion, fighting, clawing, and competing, even during years where the talent didn't meet the effort. Effort is the key word to describe Cowher coached teams. NFL franchises wanted a piece of the Steeler way that Cowher created, and as a result, coaches on Cowher's staff were hot coaching candidates year after year.

    There are three main reasons Mike Tomlin doesn't have a "coaching tree". #1. He hasn't made quality coaching hires. In fact, some of his hires have been head scratchers. #2. He inherited Cowher's staff when he took over as head coach. The culture Cowher created was already in place. As Cowher's coaches and veteran players moved on, that culture began to diminish. #3. Tomlin's legacy, especially since 2017, is one of mediocrity and lack of discipline. Other NFL franchises don't look at the "Steeler way" the same way that they used to. Why would NFL teams want to buy into hiring a coach, from a team that collapses year in and year out, and has seemingly endless player disciple issues as well?

    By the way, Arians was brought in by Cowher. I am pretty sure you know this. If you want to add him to Tomlin's tree, so be it. Congratulations on his branch.
     
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  18. HeinzMustard

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    Arians was OC for Browns before Cowher hired him as WR coach. This was the same Browns team that blew the big lead in the AFC Wildcard round of '02 season vs Steelers/Maddox.
     
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  19. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    It just goes to show how deep Cowher's coaching staffs were. Arians was set to be next man up once Whisenhunt left. Bruce would have ended up being the Steelers OC even if Cowher had stayed in 2007.
     
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  20. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    Even with all the AFC Championship chokes in 90's and early 00's, Cowher is an overall superior coach to Tomlin. Their playoff records speak for themselves. Tomlin is below .500... Cowher is well above .500. I don't think Tomlin deserves HOF at this point. He needs several more playoff wins.

    The "never a losing season" crap the media pimps out for Tomlin every year is worthless and meaningless, IMO.

    Is Jon Gruden in the HOF?
     
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  21. S.T.D

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    Well did you not just contradict what You said??? Your words .....Yes they did coach other places before joining Cowhers staff ,but they were hired as HCs based on the time with the Steelers. Well since He(Arians)was a OC before Cowher brought Him in, and Cowher turned him into a Wrs coach, I don't think You can say it was Cowhers influence that made him a HC, I would say the contrary, since He was demoted under Cowher. Yet Tomlin made Him a OC, and therefore You could say that it was because of this He became a HC, and not only a HC, but a 2 time HC of the year, and a SB winning HC, and out of his own mouth He doesn't credit Cowher, but He does Tomlin. So....with all that said. Which had a branch that had a HC win a SB, and become a 2 time Coach of the year, and which one didn't???
    I can't remember any of Cowhers so call coaching tree ever becoming a HC, and winning a SB....if You can ,please tell me.
    It's not about how many shots you take , it's about the ones that hit the mark.
     
  22. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    You don't know that. Stop people with being Miss Cleo. Stop . That's just guessing What we know for a fact is Tomlin made Him a OC, and a SB winning OC.
     
  23. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    LoL. Gruden is 117- 112 record.
    Stop people with the regular season doesn't matter. You can't make the playoffs without it. Nobody just jumps directly to the playoffs.
    Also tell the hundreds of HCs that have been fired that the regular season doesn't matter. You people are talking out Your a$$ now.
     
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  24. HeinzMustard

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    Tomlin = Gruden = Switzer

    ALL inherited great teams from better coaches.... Cowher and Dungy and Johnson.
     
  25. TuRnDoWnForWaTT

    TuRnDoWnForWaTT Well-Known Member

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    Easy...

    A coaching tree represents how other NFL franchises view an NFL Head Coach. If they view him favorably, they are likely to try and poach his staff. How the coaches that get hired away fare after leaving is completely irrelevant.

    I already said I will add Arians to Tomlin's tree. But that branch has an asterix on it because he was hired by Cowher.
     
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