I don't know what is the plan of the steelers

that may be an older Joe Gibbs versus a younger Joe Gibbs. And you have to look at the assistants then and in his later years. Like i said, coaching style doesnt change. Noll was always very focused, no nonsense, and detail oriented. He treated every opponent; the best to the bottom feeders, with respect. Tomlin’s not like that. We’ve seen many times how our Ben led steeler teams were caught unprepared by teams they were supposed to beat. That never happened with Noll’s teams during their heyday.

you put a younger Noll in charge of the Steelers in 2011, i’d bet you’d see considerably more postseason success.

 

And in the case of Gibbs,when he was the head coach of the redskins in the 2000s,he had a very below average roster with a terrible owner but still make the playoffs twice in 4 years.He is the only head coach for this team to have make the playoffs twice in the Dan Snyder era,so it was not great but it was not a total disaster too

 

He didn't have a great roster because unlike back before Free Agency, the turnover in rosters are crazy. Did You ever watch football before Free Agency???

 

LoL, I give up. My whole argument was about HCs before Free Agency, being compared to HCs after Free Agency, and You keep making it about Tomlin, and Noll. So You are not even trying to see my point. You keep saying You bet, but nothing besides, Your guess. I gave the only example of a HC that I knew that coached both for a good amount of time, and that example was Joe Gibbs before Free Agency = 3 SBs, and Joe Gibbs after Free Agency = 1 playoff win.

 

i wanted to focus on Noll and Tomlin and was comparing their styles. Of course theres a difference now with free agency but that doesnt change how each guy approached games week in and week out. You kept trying to change the argument. Anyway thats fine. We can end this back and forth. Its all good STD

 

I agree with you that it's a completely different game, I was just saying that Gibbs was not that bad in the 2000s

 

No he wasn't that bad, I agree, but if You compare a HC that was able to win 3 SBs with the same team before Free Agency, and then after Free Agency he could only win one playoff game. That's a big difference.
There is a big difference in the way You can coach a player that is stuck with a team for their entire career , and how You can coach a player that can go to another team at anytime, and maybe even for more money.

 

The 6 Pro Sport Championships Pittsburgh won in the 70's would have probably been 3 in todays F'ed up sports world. A lot of them Steelers would have wanted the green. Not Joe

4 if Nutting owned the Pirates back then

 

Totally agreed .....there is no freaking way we could keep 11 HOF players on the team today, and we don't win 4 SBs in those years without them.

 

Getting a feeling the team could look like this this year;

 

it will go as far as the o-line let's it. we have run ability up the middle. we have the RB's if the box is stacked to get outside whether by run or pass. if they have to worry about our RB's in the passing game it takes pressure off the downfield plays. we have speed to go deep. it will be a matter of play calling in situations. moving safeties will be key this year. swing passes to the RB's could hold the safeties and allow DK and austin that split second to burn a defense. TE's should see more passes in this system as well. parham, muth and washington could flourish in this system. i think there is a plan but just how well it's executed will have to be seen. there is more than one way to play winning football.

 

I would agree with this

 

I agree, but that's a bar that his probably too high for most of the coaches in the NFL to clear, if not all of them. Noll is on the all-time Mt. Rushmore of NFL head coaches.

 

11 wins

 

Probably only happens if Rodgers signs and plays good along with them getting a WR2.

 

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Canty, ex-Raven, who cares?

 

He is not that wrong on that

 

You wrote some interesting stuff, but I have to focus on this last sentence.
I can agree with KC and Buffalo. But set the mark on the Bengals and Chargers?

In the last 34 years, the Bengals have had 2 great seasons (2021, 2022). The other 32 seasons have combined for 0 playoff wins. The Bengals only going 9-8 and not reaching the playoffs the last 2 years makes me think there are enough flaws in that team to not use them as a benchmark.

For the Chargers... They have 2 playoff wins in the last 15 years, and none in the last 6. They always seem good on paper, but they haven't done enough to use them as a benchmark.

 

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