Wallace 2.0

The agent is doing his job. In case you missed it part of that is to get the biggest contract possible for his client(s). Y'all make signing that offer from the Pats out to be some slap at the Steelers.

 

But don't you find it laughable that the agent is trying to use negotiating leverage that he doesn't have? At least Mike Wallace's agent had a couple of pretty good statistical seasons to hang his hat on. I realize an agents job is to try to maximize value for his client. But don't you think both his and his client's credibility takes a hit when he actually tries to CREATE value that isn't actually there?!

 

You can speak of agent threats and posturing all you want but at this point I would rather have the proven commodity and that is Sanders. You can cite his mediocre stats too but I doubt a rookie would match those in 2013. This way they can draft a receiver, groom him for a year and if Sanders leaves, plug him in for 2014. Good job by management.

 

But, steelfan, how is he really a proven commodity at this point? I've said before that I think Sanders could be on the rise but he hasn't done enough at this point for his agent to be posturing the way he is. And I think the right rookie could certainly come in and have about 40 receptions for around 600 yards and a couple of touchdowns, roughly what Sanders had last year. I predicted the Steelers would match and thought they should have, but it wouldn't have been disastrous had we decided to take the pick.

 

I wonder what the consensus on this board would have been if the Steelers didn't match and Sanders went to NE and teamed with Brady and had a Welker-type year and been a star and difference maker while the Steelers used that pic on a bust who was cut during camp.

Guaranteed most of the same people who are bashing the FO now would be bashing them then for being cheap and letting a stud WR get away for a measly $1.2M and picking a piece of garbage.

Somewhere in a parallel universe, this happened. I just need to find a way to cross into that world.

 

I was prepared for that and figured it would happen. That said I still think the pick was better in the long run.

 

Since when to we give a crap about what an agent says? He has one job = to maximize his client's payday. They are all scumbags anyway. I have not heard Sanders himself saying anything negative. If he earns his paycheck with a big year (and then leaves for greener pastures), then we will still get a draft pick in compensation in 2014

 

LOL! You are prolly right!!!!!

 

One thing that I think gets overlooked here is the Steelers success. When a team is successful everyone else always wants there players, or so it seems. This opens the door to the price these guys are asking. I guess this is a double edge sword for us and I don't hope that we go down hill and, in turn, our players aren't worth as much!

 

I stand by taking the 3rd round pick as most of us do. But we better hope Sanders plays hard this season. He might pull a Wallace and call it a "lack of concentration". Now he doesn't have a lot on his résumé but he still got some teams attention anyway. I see this going down as a one year rental which was a bad business decision by our front office. Even if he has a stellar year we won't be able to afford him. He'll go to whoever pays him the most.
The key is we better hope he doesn't tank in the season for the fear of getting hurt or looking into future of joining his partner down in South Beach.

 

When you have the Miami Dolphins and Buffalo Bills paying
players monopoly money.Mike Wallace and Mario Williams were WAY
OVERPAID, you have the trickle down effect. These players/agents see this type of cash
being thrown around and they say, I want this type of money. Dumerville a very productive player
thruout his career yet he is signed for 3m. Something is wrong with this picture, You can't miss
on a whole draft like Colbert/Tomlin did in 08 and expect to be a playoff caliber team.It is all
about player evaluation and IF they can make the transition from college to pros. Remember
all the players in the pros can play, not just a handful like in college.

 

Mike Wallace rookie stats: 39rec 756yds 6TDs
Santonio Holmes rookie stats: 49rec 824yds 2TDs

Never say never. The right rookie could come in and replace Sanders' pedestrian-like stats with Ben throwing him the ball.

 

i would have taken the pick because i'm not sure they can sign him. which is not sanders fault to start with. i'm not upset he's staying though.

you have to remember sanders had two good post seasons here too, that aren't being taken into account. he carries a high yards per catch average, very close to or better in some cases to wallace and AB. he's faster then AB. he had a 63 yd. return last year. he's our only deep threat.

as far as a rookie not doing much, well that depends on the rookie. wallace had 6 TD's his rookie year.

my concern is sanders staying on the field. i think the feet are fixed. he takes some shots though at least trying to catch the ball. he may very well be better on the outside as the one or two guy.

again we are most likely going to lose a good young talent and a decent vet again next year to cover our costs to a certain few. which really is the only way they can do it until these high prices and aged players are out of here.

watch your favorites intently this year because they may not be for long. we might not be rebuilding but they have started some remodeling.

5 mil in dead money and that should rise when colons takes affect for the next two years. we had 9 mil. last year though.


we should be fine this year barring injury to anyone. the decisions been made. same with worilds. is this the last hu-rah for awhile? we can all speculate.

 

LOL! Not to parse your words, BF, but you said "our rookies don't do ****" and "taking a pick would have been a long term investment, we wouldn't have seen quick gains from it". Those sound like pretty declarative (I am saying never) statements to me.

Just messing with ya (sort of). I understand what you're saying. It isn't likely that a rookie would come in and contribute but to definitively say that our rookies don't ever contribute and that any draft pick would NOT help right away is factually incorrect. There is some precedence for it and I was simply trying to point that out.

 

nate washington had 4 TD's and 35 catches his rookie year. he doubled holmes'TD's that year and had a yd. better yds. per catch average. rainey was used last year. spence was going to be used last year. paulson was used. i'm not getting in the middle of you guys but we have made baby steps in using our rookies. if they make the cut. the 3rd round pick would have been nice for the future, but it is what it is for this year. next year will bring a whole lot more drama.

 

One thing I'd like to remind some people talking about Sanders stats and such. Keep in mind...he's been anywhere from 3-4th on the depth chart the majority of his career so far. In 2010 you had Ward, Randle El, Wallace, Sanders, Brown and Battle....in 2011 you had Ward, Wallace, Sanders, Brown, Cotchery...and I can't remember who else right now...and last year you had Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Cotchery and later on Plax. This is going to be his first year where he is given the chance to start.

While yes its possibly a rookie could come in and put up good numbers. However since the year 2000...theres only been 4 (out of 13 or so) WRs that the Steelers have drafted (I didnt include undrafted guys) that got more than 300 yards in their rookie season...El, Holmes, Wallace and SANDERS. Holmes obviously being the #1 pick and putting up the most. Could a rookie have done it this year (or could one still do it)...sure. But to say Sanders has been disappointing/etc over his 3 years is not fair...as he's never been higher than a 3 (unless there was an injury). Now if we're 2 or 3 years done the line of him starting every game and such and he still only puts up 600 a year...that could be a let down (depending on all the other factors going on)...but for being where he's played...I think he's just fine.

 

Actually that was Washingtons second season in 2006...he was a UDFA in 2005 and almost never played. But still...point taken!

 

I'm not saying that but I'm saying it IS possible. I think we may be saying the same thing basically but we're coming at it from different angles. I think several of the top half dozen or so receivers in this years' draft, Allen, Patterson, Austin, etc. could possibly come in and contribute nearly as much as Sanders did last year. Now I'm on record of saying that I think Sanders could have a breakout season this year and it's unlikely a rookie would come in and do what he potentially could do this year.

 

Don't try to use common sense and logic it just feeds their ire.

 

Lol.

I think time will tell on this one. We're debating hypotheticals, stats with too many variables, possible outcomes, impossible outcomes...

 

I just love the ol' "you ain't got no common sense, pal, cuz if you did it would be obvious that you wuld agree with everything I'm saying because I'm a logical person and it's obvious to me, cuz you disagree, that yore an illogical person so get on our bandwagon and start using some common horse sense and logic or else I'm gonna relegate you to the land of misfit Steeler fans, you know, the ones that don't have no logic or common sense!" argument.

Geez.