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Tank for a QB?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steel_Elvis, May 10, 2025 at 7:51 AM.

  1. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    For the “tankers” out there, here’s a recent history of Top 10 QBs (plus a few notable ones close to the Top 10). I’m leaving out 2024 because it’s just too soon to know how they will pan out after only 1 season.

    2023: (1) Young; (2) Stroud; (4) Richardson; also heading into his last college season Levis (33) was considered a likely top 5 prospect. Like 2026, this was expected to be a great QB draft the year before.
    2021: (1) Lawrence; (2) Wilson; (3) Lance; also, Fields went (11) and Mac Jones went (15). This was supposed to be a super crop of QBs. How have they worked out?
    2020: (1) Burrow; (5) Tua; (6) Herbert
    2019: (1) Murray; (6) Danny Dimes
    2018: (1) Mayfield; (3) Darnold; (7) Allen; (10) Rosen
    2017: (2) Trubisky; (10) Mahomes
    2016: (1) Goff; (2) Wentz
    2015: (1) Mariota; (2) Winston

    Note that Mahomes was drafted by a Chiefs team that went 12-4 and won the AFCW the year before (lost to the Steelers in Boz’s 6 FG game), and Allen was drafted by a Bills team that was wild card team. Neither team tanked and both QBs came into a culture that was focused on winning.

    Just some recent history for the “tankers” out there.
     
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  2. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    Tanking is foolish very foolish

    I suspect the ones suggesting it have never run any form of professional organization otherwise they would know better

    This is not a video game for kiddies
     
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  3. james weyandt

    james weyandt Well-Known Member

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    Tanking would make a lot of fans very:mad::mad::mad: --do you think that would help --you fall where you fall in the standings 1st or worst---- earn what you get --don't do what losers do ---it's not worth it...:frustrated: you might think you will get the best QB on earth if you tank.. but will you --you just do not know..
     
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  4. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Tank isn't the right thing to do, but if they start at 2-6, I wouldn't be happy if they finish at 9-8 since it will have cost them a good draft position... Better to finish with 6 wins like in 2003 in this scenario.

    If they have a bad start, play your young players and try to experiment instead of doing everything to extend the streak.
     
  5. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    Words of wisdom
     
  6. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    What streak

    Doesn't sound like anything anyone here other than you cares about
     
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  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I dont think they have to anyway. Should be enough talent there for them to get a QB in the first round and of course they can try to move up if there is someone they are really fixed on.

    There are 5 teams that will most likely be looking:
    Steelers
    Browns
    Colts
    Rams
    Jets

    Could be a few more:
    Panthers
    Raiders
    Saints

    If those 3 additional teams end up looking for one then the Steelers will need to move up. How far of a move will determine if it costs them their 2027 1st.

    Hopefully we won’t even be looking. All aboard the Howard hype train!
     
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  8. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think tanking for a back up QB is the right thing to do. Will Howard will be our starter for a decade.
     
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  9. Thor

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    Also a reason I wasn't a fan of their approach to FA this year. Draft picks are great, but they're far from sure things, regardless of the position. Free agents at least offer you the insight of what they can do at the pro level. Use your resources to build the best team you can in the present.
     
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  10. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

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    The idea of intentionally tanking a season is pretty lubricious, I get the last game of the season, where the difference of losing or winning could cost you 5 spots in a draft, then perhaps you play the young guys and see what they have. Even in a 'tank' situation they are going to play hard as it is for their jobs, if not there at least get something on video that shows any talent and effort.

    For an entire half season you describe I think reality should hit someplace, you can't just quit, but development and experience can go a long way in determining just how quickly you come out of your current situation. If Management quits then how do you expect the team to react? In this type of situation you bring in the rookie QB and let him go, make the mistakes and provide a game plan where you can see what you may have. Maybe you are already scripting for a QB in the draft, but he is still going to be around for 3 more years, make the present count for what you may need in the future.
     
  11. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    If Rodgers doesn't sign and we start the season with Mason Rudolph then we won't have to tank. A season with six wins would be the most they could hope for.
     
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  12. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, you can't ask players to tank, but you can play your young players by trying to gain more experience.

    As if they're off to a bad start(1-5 or 2-6), there's no reason to stick with Rudolph(or Rodgers if he sign with us) as the starter over Howard, even if he is not the problem.

    When you have a very bad start, it's better to evaluate what you have in your roster than to try to win at all costs....I'm not saying intentionally lose but rather to try experience things
     
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  13. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I tend to agree, but management of the future years’ salary cap may be a part of the FA strategy this offseason as well. We just don’t know all of the parts that are going into this strategy. An area where I wanted/expected to see spending was CB, but really the only FA CB that I can point to who had a strong 2024 was a 5’9” outside corner for the Jets playing opposite Sauce.

    We’ll see what happens. I’m not getting too high or too low on it all yet.
     
  14. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

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    I get what you are saying, and it can be a part of the model to build a championship team. The draft itself, development and keeping that core should still be the primary goal. Problem is we stunk at both for a lot a period of time. Shazier had he stayed healthy would likely be done or at least near the end, but look how long and the different efforts it has taken to fill that spot. He was that good no doubt and you were not going to necessarily find that level of talent, but our efforts to fill that position hae been painful to watch. I can't remember if Belichek was still there, but one year the Pats went big on FA, spending lots and it was fruitless, did not help that their drafting had gone far south, so you still need the entire package.
     
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  15. blackandgoldpatrol

    blackandgoldpatrol Well-Known Member

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    Tanking is the mentality of losers...... i can quite easily name a host of late rd and udfa's at every position, including qb that has flourished in the league....
    Even now, players like the former Mr irrelevant Brock Purdy is about to cash in big time...
    Currently, we have Will Howard, who's won a conference championship with one team and a national Championship with another...
    So in reference to Aaron Rogers (who i hope doesn't sign), all of the tankers out there need to R - E - L - A - X
     
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  16. Vox Ferrum

    Vox Ferrum Well-Known Member

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    Could be, but a D is going to keep you in some games and Boz is going to keep it close. As the season drags on and the D gets exhausted has been one of the biggest problems, but somehow we get enough wins to secure a PO spot or at least a winning season, yipee, lol. I know they will never tank, but at some point if you are at that place of nothing will happen in the post season, then you need to see what you have individually, as ugly as it might get, I would rather see what truly needs to be done for the future instead of a yearly band aid fix.
     
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  17. nor

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    If the Steelers deliberately lose, I’ll stop watching football.
     
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  18. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member

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    No participation trophies!
     
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  19. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    True but I also feel that not a lot of these big FA signings work out either.
     
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  20. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Big difference between playing your young players, trying experience things, and being in the evaluation period for the following season versus intentionally losing.

    These are things the Steelers will have to do if they have a 2-6 type start instead of trying to finish 9-8 at all costs.
     
  21. blackandgoldpatrol

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    You mean the same Mason Rudolph that saved our season 2 yrs ago????
     
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  22. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    It was only 3 games too....I don't think he can be a good starter for a full season
     
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  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    It depends who you’re sitting. You don’t take away snaps from a guy who is playing his butt off and contributing.

    There’s a big difference between tanking and giving someone an opportunity to prove that he’s better than the guy ahead of him if the guy ahead of him isn’t helping the team.
     
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  24. SteelersfaninPhilly

    SteelersfaninPhilly Well-Known Member

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    You all talking about tanking.

    But nobody talks about the elephant in the room.

    Can the coaching staff develop a quarterback?
     
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  25. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    Exactly

    It appears we have a few here
     
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