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2022 draft class biggest fail?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Mashburn, May 7, 2025 at 8:59 PM.

  1. Tomlin

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    16.7%
  2. Colbert

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    5.6%
  3. Both

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    44.4%
  4. I'm thrilled with how this team is performing

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    22.2%
  5. Colbert (my bad forgot he was the guy at that time). and I cannot take Kahn off

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  1. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    That would be me. :cool:

    People around here got mad at me before the draft when I said Pickens won't be on the roster in September.
     
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  2. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

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    So again...


    Me and @SteelersFanIrl@SteelersFanIrl have been saying this since 2023; two constants have been at the forefront. Colbert and Tomlin both have had bad miss after bad miss and now it has caught up to them. Tomlin is now tasked to clean up this mess but to say that the decisions from 2018-2022 fall squarely on Colbert exempts Tomlin from any responsibility; very unfair to Colbert.


    Thankfully, Omar Khan and Andy Weidl have slowly but surely righted the ship in 2023. 2024 and 2025 also appear to be good on paper (more so 2025) but there is still work to be done. 2025 has to hit and 2026 has to be a home run at worst to a grand slam at best for the Steelers to compete once again. Nabbing that QB remains both Khans and Weidls biggest hurdle but I believe that they can do it.



    To sum all of this up, Colberts poor choices coupled with Tomlins horrific personnel management has caused the team to atrophy in the current state the franchise has been in. Tomlin however hasn't learned from his 2021 Offensive Line debacle via Broderick Jones. Jones finally is back in his spot but it shouldn't have taken this long to do so. Broderick's lack of self improvement didn't help but Tomlins track record of goofing up the development of the Offensive Line has been in focus since 2021.


    Long story short?! Colbert didn't draft well enough and Tomlin didn't develop well enough either.
     
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  3. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Most employers can control the behavior of their employees.
     
  4. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    They do

    They fire them

    Kind if like what Tomlin/Omar have been doing :thumbs_up:
     
  5. Steelersfan43

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  6. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I'm with you on most of that, but it isn't Rudolph's fault that Washington sucked. He sucked with Roetlhisberger at quarterback. He sucked after leaving the Steelers, too. The guy just couldn't get open against NFL defenses.

    Also, Dobbs sucks. I think they already knew by then that his best value was holding a clipboard and supporting the quarterbacks who can actually play, which was good reason to take another swing at finding Roethlisberger's eventual replacement.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Hell of a lot better than Pickett :lolol:

    And didn’t have to massively reach to get him.
     
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  8. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    He really isn't and Pickett wasn't a reach, but other than that you are dead on.
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    No he really is and Pickett should have been drafted in the 3rd.

    We’ll see how many starting jobs Pickett gets. If Dobbs sucked as bad as you say, teams wouldnt have kept starting him. We’ll see if Pickett can match that level of suckiness assuming he doesnt flee first.
     
  10. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Every starting opportunity Dobbs ever had was mid-season after someone else got hurt. Teams keep him around as a backup because he is smart and can learn a system quickly, not because he has some great potential. As always, you are fooled by your fascination with running quarterbacks.
     
  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    When he started for the Cardinals they traded for him in August because Murray wasn’t going to be ready.

    When Cousins got hurt, the Vikings traded for him to replace him.

    Got any other insight you’d like to share. Or you could show some integrity and admit he was a better QB than you thought. If you were being honest with yourself you’d admit he got way more opportunities than you thought he ever would.

    That’s what this is about, not whether Dobbs can run or not but nice deflection.
     
  12. Formerscribe

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    Thank you for backing up my point. He started games for the Cardinals that year because Murray was hurt. He started games for the Vikings because Cousins got hurt. No team ever wanted him as their guy. Your definition of integrity may be that someone accepts your incredibly biased take on things as fact, but it is not mine.

    Dobbs is very much what I thought he was, a career backup who no team wants as its starter. Pickett seems to be headed that route, too, but I don't have to remind you about how positively you wrote about him the day the Steelers drafted him, do I?
     
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  13. Blast Furnace

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    No, I didnt back you up, good Lord :lolol:

    I’ll try again. Cardinals knew Murray wasn’t going to be healthy to start the season so they traded for Dobbs. Clearly they knew he would be starting.

    Cousins got hurt and they traded for Dobbs because they needed a starter. It’s not like he was a BU on the team already.

    No one said they wanted him as a franchise guy but both times he was acquired to be the starter, and was traded for no less, you know, teams giving up draft picks for this sucky player. Impressive mental gymnastics on that one.

    Yes I know, I have no expectations of you admitting he is a better QB then you thought. You know damn well you thought all he would ever do is hold a clip board.
     
  14. Steel_Elvis

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    No, he sure couldn’t. But damn, he routinely cooked those weak Big 12 corners of his era in contested catch situations. I admit I was fooled by that one. I was celebrating the pick.
     
  15. Hanratty#5

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    Dobbs is not better than Pickett. Pickett has a 15-10 career record while Dobbs record is a putrid 8-15. They are both career backups and I agree that Kenny was a reach in the first round but Dobbs is really bad especially late in games.
     
  16. TGH

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  17. Brice

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    I still think GP could be one of the best WRs in the game. You going to blame Colbert if GP is wearing a Gold Jacket in 25 years?

    And, I still have not thrown out my NFL hopes for Kenny Picket taking the Baker Mayfield NFL career path.

    Please don't immediately blame Colbert for Khan trading these guys away for Peanuts and a bag of rocks. In 20 years, Khan could go down as the worst GM in franchise HISTORY! I want my Blame KHAN BUTTON!!!
     
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  18. Blast Furnace

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    Proof will be in the pudding. We’ll see how many opportunities teams give Kenny.
     
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  19. SDOT

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    Correct, it’s Ben’s fault JW sucked. He killed the kids confidence imo. One of only players in his whole career he actually called out by name in post game. Also, my biggest gripe at time was he’s built like a HB and didn’t have elite speed. He got zero separation and they just kept running him down sideline vs using him over middle and like Hines Ward. Mind boggling.

    They knew Dobbs sucked because he got thrown to wolves rookie year? Ben/Steelers historically sucked in Oakland. Rookie supposed to look good?

    That preseason game against Panthers was promising.

    Dobbs has had flashes over last few years. Rudolph looked good for a few games at end of season 2 years ago. I think Dobbs brings more with his running.

    But the whole point is it’s basically the same and we wasted two picks for no reason. But I’m immune to this stupidity by now.
     
  20. Formerscribe

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    I know you did not intend to back up my point, but you did it anyway. My point was that no team would ever commit to Dobbs as a starter. The Cardinals brought him in as filler in what was going to be another lost season. They were coming off a terrible season, and there was little hope that that year would be any better with Murray set to miss so much time.

    The Vikings were also bringing him in to fill in for a few games, not to be their guy. What sort of options do you think were available that far into the season?

    He isn't a better quarterback than I thought. He's a backup. If he is taking snaps, something has gone seriously wrong, exactly as I thought.
     
  21. Formerscribe

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    By all means, provide evidence that Washington's problem was a lack of confidence. You can't. You're making that up.

    Washington sucked in the NFL because he couldn't get separation from defenders. He didn't run routes well enough.

    Dobbs has gotten opportunities to show something. What he has consistently shown is that he is no more than a backup quarterback.
     
  22. Formerscribe

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    Pickett is getting an opportunity to compete for a starting job for the second time in his career, something no team has ever given to Dobbs. Pickett is a guy teams have thought of as a potential starter. Dobbs is a guy they know can be a serviceable backup.
     
  23. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Keep telling yourself that. If living in fantasyland makes you feel better knock yourself out.

    Your point is to move the goal posts. Clearly the Cardinals and Vikings have entrenched starters. They needed someone they felt was capable and instead of turing to their own backups they traded for Dobbs.

    We’ll see how many teams employ Pickett as their starter. Did he burn a path out of Cleveland yet? Surprised we’re haven’t seen him Forrest Gump running out of there. 5 QB’s! He must be rocking himself to sleep every night.
     
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  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Right, they skipped right over competition and traded for him to start.
     
  25. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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