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The Steelers are bringing in QB Shedeur Sanders for a visit

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Apr 8, 2025.

  1. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how that proves your point. Though it was a major outlet, the evaluation of Strong ahead of Pickett was very much outside the mainstream.
     
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  2. AskQuestionsLater

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    Even if Sanders is on the board, I don't think the team takes him. Not because I don't think he cannot be a very good QB but because Pittsburghs Draft Capital is so limited in 2025. Omar has to hit in the next two drafts for Pittsburgh to have any chance of competing.


    2026 is where the hunt for the one should begin. 2025 should be about maximizing the Roster for the one who may be on the Roster the year after. In addition, Pittsburgh has many more assets for a Trade Up in 2026 (theoretically as of today as some of those picks are comp. picks) to nab the one.


    Long story short?! Pittsburgh will draft a QB but not at 21 unless the nightmare scenario occurs in which there is a legendary run on both WR and IDL Targets the team had interest in.
     
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  3. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    I remember there were some on here pounding the drum for Carson Long because he was "the best pocket passer". As it turned out he wasn't even drafted and was out of the league in 2 years.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    LOL you were so gung-ho to claim you were right about Pickett you didnt even realize you undermined your point about mainstream evaluation sites.
     
  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    If a QB is available at #21 that the team believes is its QB of the future, it should take the QB. Passing on a QB of the future when you desperately need a QB of the future because you might be able to get your QB of the future next year is not an effective way to build your team.
     
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  6. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    Agree. When you have limited draft picks it doesn't make sense to draft a player in Rd1 that has a 50/50 chance to be good/great vs a player (Grant/Harmon) that has a 75/80% chance to be good/great. This is the year to build some solid foundational pieces. If the Steelers had a complete team, then sure, go ahead and draft those QBs early and often.

    The Steelers haven't won squat without a top 5/10 defense over the years. Not even the Killer Bs could overcome their mediocre defense.
     
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  7. Blast Furnace

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    If memory serves me well, they rarely if ever had the killer B’s together for the playoffs. Think maybe one time? Maybe. Not sure.

    This is a QB driven league, not winning anything without that. If they think Sanders is the guy, you draft him.
     
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  8. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    No, I didn't, and I already explained that to you. They may be a mainstream site, but their position went against the overwhelming majority. This isn't one outlier putting Howard in the fourth or fifth round This is multiple major outlets.
     
  9. Formerscribe

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    Agreed, and conversely, if they don't have that belief, they shouldn't take him. That's why I didn't understand anyone with serious doubts about Sanders saying they should take him if he is there at 21.
     
  10. Blast Furnace

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    Theres no difference between any of those sites. You find good and bad evaluations on all of them.

    If I wanted to waste time I could find plenty of day 2 grades to offset the ones claiming 4th rd. We’ve been through this exercise with Leonard.

    In the end it all means jack ****. Draft day is when you find out what the real grades are.
     
  11. Formerscribe

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    So Pickett was a first-round guy. That's where he went in the draft, so that was his real grade. Got it.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    That was clearly a reach but you choose to ignore that every QB needy team passed on him.

    Regardless, do you really put more stock into the guys who part time evaluate and most of them only around draft time over a years worth of work that teams put in? Really?
     
  13. Blast Furnace

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    To expand further on that, it’s more evident on guys who drop in the draft. The hobby evaluators move guys up the board only to see them drop round after round.
     
  14. Formerscribe

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    It isn't a reach at all. If draft day is the real grade, then where the player is taken is what matters. Remember, I'm not the one making that argument. You are. I think players are drafted where they shouldn't be all the time. Terrell Edmunds comes to mind.

    Regarding your second point, you are assuming people releasing those rankings are just going with their own opinions when that isn't the case. They are taking in what they are told by scouts and coaches as well as their own opinions. Some of the mainstream guys, like a Kiper, this is what they do year round.
     
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  15. Formerscribe

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    These aren't hobby evaluators. These are professionals doing a job, one they put more time into than you are giving them credit for doing.
     
  16. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    When you only evaluate film at draft time, yes, you are a hobby evaluator, some of them are just lucky enough to get paid for it.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

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    Clearly a reach as I explained in the other post.

    Then Pickett went and proved it was a reach by playing like trash.
     
  18. Steel_Elvis

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    I think the real grades are determined when we see whether the players pan out or not. Nobody has it down to a science. The teams make good and bad evaluations too. Dev Bush and Artie Burns say hi. But I agree with you that the media draftniks are just other opinions, nothing more. Even when they have consensus #1 guys they’re often wrong (see Trevor Lawrence or Jadeveon Clowney).
     
  19. SteelersfaninPhilly

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    And they swing and miss just as much as the hobby evaluators. Just look at the Steelers recent drafts.
     
  20. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Thats true but the discussion got moved of course, I was speaking more to rd projections.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    No one bats 1.000 but im going to put more faith into teams that have a whole department dedicated to evaluating over the course of the year.
     
  22. Formerscribe

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    Your premise is flawed. You are assuming that is the only time they evaluate film. You are also ignoring that there are other ways to gather information on a prospect.
     
  23. Formerscribe

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    If you think all they are basing those on are their own evaluations of the film, you have no idea how people in the media work.
     
  24. steelersrule6

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    Sanders could be in play for the Saints at #9, if the Steelers take a QB at #21 then they would have to wait until the third round to address the DL.
     
  25. Blast Furnace

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