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Will Howard Draft Watch

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by Born2Steel, Aug 17, 2024.

  1. Born2Steel

    Born2Steel Well-Known Member

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    Just because. Good info and good conversation in here.
     
  2. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

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    Would you select Howard with pick 21? I would... Curious to see your opinion and reasoning.
     
  3. Born2Steel

    Born2Steel Well-Known Member

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    I would. Watching him last season and he seems pro ready to me. Can make the throws. Mobile enough. Good size for a QB. He also improved his completion %each season.
    Only caveat really is I don't have any idea how football smart he is. What they refer to as the 6 inches between the ears, is the most important part of playing QB in the NFL. Been lots of guys with all the physical tools but just never put it all together.
    So would I take him at 21? Yes. I think he has shown he's worth taking a chance on. And we have a huge gap between 21 and 83. May not get the chance at 83.
     
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  4. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    Any GM that would draft Will Howard in the first round would lose his job. You can't draft a QB with a 4th round grade on him in the first, that is way too much of a risk for any team to take.
     
  5. Wardismvp

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    No, but I would give him a call in the 4 th round.
     
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  6. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    The 4th round will be the sweet spot for these mid tier QB's like Howard, Shough, McCord etc.
     
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  7. Confluence

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    Between Shough and Howard the choice is clear, the problem is when you win a championship people start drinking the punch, it clouds the thinking,

    If Howard was on a different college team that did not win a championship he wld be borderline day 3 guy, 7th round,

    Adversity in college can be advantageous, makes one work harder to improve

    I am taking Shough over Howard, he throws a prettier ball, has better athleticism, sees the field already well and will only get better, and I would look to draft him in the third round
     
  8. Born2Steel

    Born2Steel Well-Known Member

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    I answered the question posed to me with the answer I have. The rest of you are welcome to your opinion. I have mine.
     
  9. SGSteeler

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    Any team that drafts someone in the first round doesn't have a 4th round grade on the player... I don't think there is a single GM in the NFL that cares AT ALL what the prevailing media heads think regarding player grades. Bigger surprises have happened, and I don't think it is as big of a stretch as you think it is.
     
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  10. Confluence

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    Bottom line is getting drafted at all is an honor and a huge accomplishment, where you are drafted is some what important but the most important thing is what you do after you are drafted, how you seize on that opportunity and the opportunities you create through dedication and hard work
     
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  11. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    you should watch this. gruden if nothing else is one smart coach. too smart for some QB's to keep up with. howard has some going on maybe more than you think.





    or maybe this one.




    maybe add this one.



    :cool:
     
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  12. Born2Steel

    Born2Steel Well-Known Member

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    Jay Gruden says Howard is more athletic than Jaxson Dart in that video. I got to see plenty of Dart over the last two seasons and that guy is very athletic. He has to come in and spot Corral a time or two as well and it was his athleticism that popped first. For Gruden to say Howard is more athletic than that, that's big to me.
     
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  14. Formerscribe

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    Then you are wrong. The guy isn't a first-round player. Forget Terrell Edmunds, he would likely be their biggest first-round reach since Gary Glick.
     
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  15. Born2Steel

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    If a QB works out, he ceases to be a reach.
     
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  16. mac daddyo

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    not trying and watching one win with another team isn't much fun either. :cool:
     
  17. Thor

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    I'm not understanding the rationalization that leads one to use a first round pick on Will Howard. Everybody's entitled to their opinion ((Steelers included) but I'm just not seeing it. Good dude, great teammate. Good physical traits. Very average QB skills.

    Every class has videos like those above, even the thinner ones like this. They're obviously going to find the positives to talk about. But I could talk up all the pros of the latest Chevy - that doesn't make it a Ferrari. I get that you may still need a vehicle, so maybe you buy the Chevy, but you pay the appropriate price and save the rest of your funds for other things that you need.
     
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  18. Hanratty#5

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    The talk today on 93.7 the fan was all about the draft and the QB's coming out. Their consensus on Howard was that if he is still there in the 5th then take him but not before. They were saying that what they're hearing around the league is that Dart has gone ahead of Sanders and don't be surprised if Sanders is there at 21 after Ward and Dart are gone. It's a lot of fun to talk about and we will all find out in only 14 days now.
     
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  19. Born2Steel

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    The ESPN radio morning show I hear on my morning drive said Howard will go in the 2nd round. Maybe the 4th of the board. Just shows none of them have a clue. If a team likes a QB, that team will draft him when they like the value.

    Watching film and highlights breakdowns, the interviews with guys like Mayock and Gruden, and even looking at college stats to see improvement and production tell us more than some radio head or sports talk show host.
     
  20. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    It is surprising to hear guys that make their living talking about sports don't really know a whole lot more than the average fan.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

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    That stuff is just noise to me. Reminds me of Picketts class when Corral and Ridder were moving up the boards.

    Fact is teams usually have different grades than the TV/Radio analysts and that showed that class. It was talked about being an exceptionally weak class and turns out it was. Hell, some had Willis going top 10.

    The type of offense Dart runs is a real concern, I like his skills but he could be completely lost like Corral was in the pros. Guy is already out of the league.

    The stuff I pay attention to is when you get articles citing league executives, thats where you get the real inside stuff but even with that you have to take with a grain of salt because they could be trying to drive interest away.

    Like you said, we’ll find out in 14 days.
     
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  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think Howards flaws will keep him out of the first. 2nd or 3rd is his sweet spot but as you pointed out, Steelers dont have a 2nd so that puts them in a bind if they really like him.
     
  23. Confluence

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    That why i like Shough in third round, in case Dart is off the board at 21, Shough is my back up plan if Dart gets taken before 21, go w D line in the first and get your QB, Shough, in the third, some might say third is a reach for Shough, maybe, but less of a reach than Will Howard at 1, then you are free to get RB and whatever else
     
  24. Confluence

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    I understand people doubting Dart, but what I like is natural, not thinking about it ability, Howard does not have that, he still needs work with mechanics, Dart might need some time but I am sold on talent level, just needs good coaching and patience, but I see high ceiling w Dart, like franchise guy, in time and with work
     
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  25. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    I watched the combine and Dart outshone the other QB'S there that day. Howard had a terrible afternoon and if it wasn't for the abysmal performance by Dillon Gabriel he would have been the worst QB there. He did have a much better pro day which salvaged his draft status.
     

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