Cowher talks QB situation, more

The main point I took away from what Cowher says in that video is building an offense for the QB to step into. The Steelers have rebuilt the OL. They spent high draft picks on WRs then traded a 2nd for Metcalf. They may draft a RB early in this draft. Arthur Smith is a legit NFL OC. If that's not building an offense for a QB to step into, what should we call it?

Bring in ARod/Russ if you want. But draft a rookie and let's see what we have. You can't wait at this point.

 

I don't personally care for how they're doing it. For me, watching them make moves over the past couple of years has been like watching Fields play QB - moments of greatness followed by stretches of trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

Anyway, to get a ballpark reference on moving up, if they come in with the 20th overall pick and want to move up to the 5th a current draft trade value chart indicates they would need to swap picks and send another 1000 points in draft value to the other club just to get into the conversation. This is the same starting price the 49ers had in moving from the 12th to 3rd pick to take Trey Lance four years ago.

Here's how that transacted:

San Francisco

• 2021 3rd overall pick - 2200

Miami

• 2021 12th overall pick - 1200
• 2022 First-round pick (#29) - 640
• 2022 Third-round pick (#101) - 96
• 2023 First-round pick (#29) - 640

In 2023, the Texans made a similar 12-to-3 jump:

Houston

• 2023 3rd overall pick - 2200
• 2023 Fourth-round pick (#105) - 84

Arizona

• 2023 12th overall pick - 1200
• 2023 Second-round pick (#33) - 580
• 2024 First-round pick (#27) - 680
• 2024 Third-round pick (#90)- 140

 

Same here. My inner STD was stumping for DJ Reed.

I was advocating for a good veteran guard as well.

 

What I like about signing Darius Slay is he has played at a very high level for a long time. He knows what it takes to be successful and I hope our young DBs can glean that knowledge and become better as a unit. It did not work out that way with Pat Pete unfortunately, but I still have hopes with Slay.

 

He also wasted a decade by going with Kordell as qb.

 

Wow

 

Some players don't want to teach, or maybe their students don't
want being taught by a winner coming from a winning organization. Seems
hard to believe these players couldn't learn from watching a player like Slay.

 

I wanted them to go after Nate Hobbs to play slot CB, he was on the Raiders with our CB coach Alexander and he got like $12 million a year.

 

I understand what you are saying in that regard but look how that has worked out. The only QB that we signed was Mason Rudolph. I guess the Steelers think or thought that just trading for Metcalf was going to have QBs beating down the door to want the job but that isn't going to happen when you are low balling them...and rightfully so because there was no free agent QB that is worth it this year. Justin Fields at least offered upside and potential but the Jets showed they wanted him and gave him $10 million more guaranteed. Every other QB is either old and or retreads that belong in a backup position. With that said, Rodgers was clearly not the Steelers first choice and they now have their tail between their legs while Rodgers is playing games and or wanted to go somewhere else (i.e Vikings).

 

While they have tried to do that, it has failed miserably, Warren's a nice back but that's it, the o-line is poor, we have one WR who is a nutjob, our TE is good but not a game-breaker and is under-utilised, the offensive rebuild has been a flop and Arthur Smith hasn't improved anything, and is probably simply doing exactly what he's told by Captain Calamity like TA.

I'm with you with drafting a QB, but this is not the year, it looks EXACTLY like KP's draft with Sam Howell, Desmond Matt Corra et all all now busts, they should have gone with Fields as a bridge to drafting one in '26.

 

Lol. What if all those 'great' QBs coming out in '26 decide to stay in college another year? NIL allows these guys to stay in school and work on their craft longer. These so called draft experts have missed on just about every great QB. You wanna just keep kicking the can down the road and keep hoping?

 

Name one QB in the 26 class that's a sure thing? Before you say Arch Manning you can forget about him coming to Pittsburgh they won't be bad enough to get him.

 

And Gramps says

F@CK NO

 

It would be nice if I saw our front office building a solid roster that a solid QB could step into and have some chance at success.
What I see is bargain shopping, to make do.

Even if they sign Rogers, and I am fairly positive that will happen, that is a 'get-through-this-year-deal' since there really aren't any options.
In signing Rogers, the idea is to keep this guy healthy and that means keeping his uniform as clean at the end of a game as it was when he ran out of the tunnel at the beginning.

Rogers will make receivers better and into turn make the OL look better... but he's not same guy he was 10 years ago.
Defenses know to get after him, so they will be coming.

 

Draft Kenny Pickett again then.

 

Better class than this year.

 

Every year "It's a bad class"
There's always some QB's in every class.
I think none are Burrows/Jalen Daniels types but there might be a hidden gem.

The top 3 will probably go fast.
Ward, Sanders and Dart.
Dart might be the only one Pittsburgh has a shot at. If they did land him, I don't really see him on the field much in 2025.

Guys I will watch and could see why Pittsburgh might select. I see each as not seeing the field a lot in 2025. You could use the first pick on a low risk high reward type player and get on of them later.

This year, Quinn Ewers was the 'sure fire' thing going into the new season.
One has to ask, what changed? Was it players around him, OC, or is he slumping?
2024 was not a good year after those rave review years prior.
He has the arm to make any Pro throw.
But he's not a scrambler.
He is aggressive in his throws.
What if he sat behind Rogers for a year?

Jalen Milrose is an athlete who brings promise as mutli-threat.
But he's a project.
He has a cannon arm and great speed.
And has the smarts.

I hate Ohio State QB's and Will Howard is one.
He has everything you look for but had that combine performance was not a good memory.
Can he be developed? (Behind Rogers it might work)

I see some potential in the Stanford QB, McCord.
I particularly like his very fast release.... he's got a trigger.
and he is pretty accurate.
He is smart and has the right measurables.
A year behind Rogers might be a good thing.

 

This...when folks talk about the point value, this is where you can really see how much it costs for what you want to get. Doing mid round swaps, it is often how much are you willing to give/take to get a guy you really desire, that price is not often consistent with the point value. Does it work, it has, but you see the Trey Lance trade and wonder it the 9's could have retooled, moved on from older expensive contracts, and found the guy they have now. The draft is full of risks, but that trade alone can set you back years.

 

That beats doing nothing and hoping something magical just happens.

 

Well, he tore his oblique in the second game of the season against Michigan, and played with that for the whole season. Doctors said this kind of injury is very painful for a QB. It doesn't allow you to step into your throws, affecting your arm strength and accuracy as well. It also effects mobility and ability to throw while moving.

Then he had the high ankle sprain later in the season. He played the Georgia game in a boot.

These things at least contributed to his "disappointing" season.

His numbers: 65.8%, 3472 yrds, 31 td's/12 ints

 

Nope, it wastes a draft pick, and wastes 2 seasons on another bust QB.

 

BUT.... you can't know that until you draft somebody. If they fail, they fail. If they succeed, now you have a QB.

 

I think the problem that you're having is the same problem that I'm struggling with. You know that if we take one of these QB's, knowing the Steelers, we're going to run with that guy for the next two to three years, even if he isn't good. And only after exhausting him as a possibility will they go ahead and draft another guy. So if we're only going to get one shot within the next two to three years to get our guy, I at least want an optimized chance. I at least want a guy that's somewhat highly thought of. If the team told us 'Yeah, we're going to take a guy this year, and we're going to take another one next year. We'll fill that room to the gills with prospects.' Hey, great, take a chance. But, we know they're not going to do that. But, I really do think we have to try. We have nothing.

 

When you don't have a franchise QB you have to keep drafting one until you get it right. The 49ers think Purdy is their guy and they got him in the 7th round.