Do you think mason should be our #1?

I never suggested that the 2023 game was your only argument, just that it was a ridiculous one. In fact, I responded to the part about the first meeting in 2019 as well in my first response. I wrote about the Bengals' linebacking corps being a shambles. Most of what Rudolph did that day was short dump-off passes to his running backs. It was some of the early Madden games, when you found a couple of plays the computer couldn't figure out and ran them over and over again. Most high school quarterbacks could handle a defense that bad. (I've added some detail in this post, but I wrote the basics earlier. I guess you just missed it.)

What he did against the Bengals in 2023 in no way supports your implication that his bad game against them in 2019 was concussion-driven fluke. It was four years later, with different coaching staff a different set of players. That you asserted otherwise makes it very difficult to take your argument seriously.

Regarding the concussion, you don't know the severity of the one Rudolph suffered in 2019. Some concussions look absolutely frightening and the guy is fine a week later. Others look like nothing and the guy is out for months. No concussion is the same. They aren't like broken bones, where there is a set recovery time. Please just stop with the notion that you can tell it was the worst thing ever just by watching it on television. You can't.

 

You are completely wrong on the fact it was mostly dump off passes that any high school qb could have handled. Most Cincinnati starters weren’t injured. In any case your argument does nothing to disprove my point that Mason injury and distraction affected that later game. If you were to do a cluster analysis on his game statistics of nfl games played(statistical term), that game would be outside his cluster with more than 95 percent confidence limit.

 

yes - just like I told you we were last year you forgot our crash and burn after the 10-3 start, I see. Many do, time seems to heal the lemmings....

doomed means SECOND RATE, SECOND TIER

that is ALL we will ever be with Tomlin

 

Yes I made it up just my thoughts on MR and his Steelers history. Not much else to choose from .Just read this thread and from what I gather you don't like Mason and wanted Darnold but he's gone now. Not sure why you are so worked up about MR. We need a bad season to move up in draft and get a new QB suspect. What's wrong with trying MR this season if Rodgers doesn't sign ? As a lifelong Sports fan I can handle having a real bad season or 3. Players come and go, like some but not others it really doesn't matter to me. Its just entertainment and sometimes $$$ chances.

 

I didn't say they were injured. I said the unit was in shambles. Their linebackers were woefully slow and constantly out of position. It was one easy throw after another. Hell, a lot of them were little tip passes to running backs at the snap. Hell, Jaylen Samuels completed all three of his attempts on similar passes. Running backs caught 17 of the Steelers' 27 receptions in that game, eight each to Samuels and James Conner and one to Benny Snell. With the Steelers up 14 in the second half, Rudolph hit Diontae Johnson for a 43-yard touchdown pass. Everything else was short stuff. Even his 21-yard touchdown to Conner was a short pass that the back turned into a touchdown.

That aside, it isn't all that unusual for a player to have a strong game against an opponent once, then struggle against them later that same season. Hell, Russell Wilson did it against the Bengals last season. He carved them up in the first meeting between the two teams, then stunk up the joint most of the night in the final game of the regular season. Are you going to claim he had a brain injury that night, too? No. Of course not. You only make excuses for Rudolph.

I see that you have moved on from misrepresenting what I posted now that I set you straight. Please acknowledge your error. Better yet, acknowledge how foolish it was to claim that how he performed against the Bengals in 2023 is in any way relevant to evaluating what happened when he played against them in 2019.

 

Scribe, I`m guessing it's just my opinion that you watch Steelers games alone. You probably rant and rave around the living room and act a fool. I will admit I don't remember what Rudolph or Jaylen did in a game back in 2019. I really don't care. Bet you had to go to the box score to get all that info just so you could bust some balls .lol I really never pay much attention to who posts what but you are everywhere in every thread. Damn

 

So your argument is that Mason really didn’t have an outstanding game against Cincinnati because they were in disarray. How come your man Pickett couldn’t duplicate that ever. He had the worst game against Cincinnati because there were contributing factors. When there is a national controversy and you are being labeled a racist, after being hit on the head and having a bad game, perhaps your mind isn’t focused as it should be. Perhaps you are clueless about sports psychology as you haven’t played any competitive sports.

I can pull out quotes from you in 2023 prior to Cincinnati game saying that Mason would suck, and when he beat Cincinnati, you said that he would be exposed in Seattle. When he beat Seattle in Seattle, that even Ben couldn’t never do, and team playing for a playoff berth it was again belittled by you because it proved how wrong you were about Pickett. I bring Cincinnati in 2023 up because it was the next time after the 2019 season he played without the cloud of controversy and he could relax and be himself again. It was the first time he had a week of preparation after 2019 and played in decent weather with something resembling an Offensive Line. It is because of those three games in 2023, he has a 8 million dollars contract and interest from multiple teams. Your man Pickett will probably be out of football in couple of years, while Rudolph will either be starting or enjoying a long nfl career as a solid backup. Summarizing… you are still bitter about being wrong about Pickett. Get it through your head Mason>>>> Pickett.

 

Do you see me advocating for the Steelers to bring Pickett back and give him another window of opportunity? No, you don't, so he is irrelevant to this discussion. I don't think he has proven himself better than Pickett, but even if he had, that is a low bar at this point. You are saying he is better than the quarterback the Steelers gave up on a year ago. How is that an argument for them to give him a window of opportunity as a starter? It isn't, which is why the Steelers made offers to Fields, Darnold, and why they still have one on the table to Rodgers. They know they might have to settle for starting him, but it isn't what they want. It isn't what any team wants.

I have read your excuses about Rudolph before. I just don't buy them. If he can't handle adversity, he's not a guy who should be a starting quarterback in the NFL.

I did play competitive sports, so add that to the list of things you are wrong about.,

You brought 2023 up as if his play against the Bengals that season somehow justified your argument that your excuses were why he played so poorly against them in 2019, which is utterly ridiculous. Teams change far too much over such a long period of time for that to matter.

That Roethlisberger had never beaten the Seahawks in Seattle was irrelevant, too. So what? How many times did he even play them there? Rudolph was solid in that game in Seattle, but nothing special. That version of the Seahawks couldn't stop the run. It becomes a lot easier to play quarterback when your two running backs combine for 197 yards rushing. Rudolph didn't even throw a touchdown pass in that game, but you act like he did something special.

My opinion on Rudolph has nothing to do with Pickett. It is about him being a mediocre quarterback. He is a solid backup. I'll give you that much. The rest is your odd devotion to a guy who isn't all that good.

 

here is what I know and WITNESSED. when the chips were down - when this team was crashing and burning FAST in 2023 - and when Mason had 5 years of seasoning under his belt, he came in and performed well. he had a solid running game to help him and he was in a system he knew. He and DJ had chemistry. He and Pickens made plays. He and 88 also had a feel.

the other 31 teams - most of them had NO NEED for him, so WHY call him. They had their 1 and 2 in place - it is a dumb argument to say that 31 other teams passed on him.

he was highly touted out of college. plenty of QB's are late bloomers.

he bloomed late in 2023. Almost went in to BUFF and won in Jan. If Pickens does not fumble and IF the D plays better in the 2nd half, maybe the outcome is better.

we will never know.

 

He was a third-round pick, so he wasn't that highly touted. There were plenty of teams that didn't even have a starter in place going into the offseason after 2023, so it was more a matter of teams realizing he was no more than a good back up.

 

I like Rudolph. I was happy to see them bring Rudolph back as a backup. He seems like a decent guy and he is a quality No. 2. I just don't think it makes sense to expect him to be more. He isn't some 25-year-old who hasn't gotten a shot yet. He is going to turn 30 before the season starts.

I'm not worked up. I am disappointed that the Steelers botched free agency so badly. They clearly didn't want Rudolph as their starter. They wanted Fields or Darnold. They still want Rodgers. They see all of those guys as better options. They are talking a good game about being comfortable with Rudolph starting, but that's just talk. What is the alternative? Admit they are desperate for Rodgers to sign? They aren't that stupid. If they were going to settle for a cheap backup as their starter, they at least should have spent more on other positions.

 

Did it really upset you that much when I pointed out that you simply made up a conspiracy theory?

 

It's fine to make things up. Why is it so bad that I asked you if you could back up this theory of yours?

 

I have always claimed Mason has potential to be an average nfl starting qb. That’s what his record is. I am as devoted to him as I was to Bubby Brister, Tommy Maddox, or David Woodley. However, I would rather watch him than washed up qb’s from other teams that have no sense of belonging to the Steelers. That said Steelers have a lot of other problems in addition to qb play. They will be mediocre for a while.