Do you think mason should be our #1?

I’ll say this much Rodgers would bring entertainment

 

Mason saw first meaningful action in his career when Ben got hurt against Seattle. He actually moved Steelers better than Ben in that game. Then he had a decent play for a QB in his first year till he got knocked out. He came back too soon because Duck had a good PR gig and won couple of games and teams hadn't figured out he had a noodle arm. Mason still had better games that Pickett till the Cleveland game where he was being pressured all game. His brain was probably traumatized and was giving all sorts panic signal. Then the Myles Garrett incident happened. He started next game and probably had the worst game of his career against Cincinnati, who he had beaten earlier in the season. He was benched. He was never treated fairly afterwards having been accused of saying racist stuff.

Next, he got to play against Detroit during the Covid year on one day of preparation. He actually outplayed Goff in terrible rainy conditions. He got steelers in winning position twice, and on one of those Friermuth fumbled. His next chance was 2023 when he showed really good qb skills. In his first action with the Titans, he got them their only win against New England. When he relieved Will Levis later in the season, the season was over for the Titans and players had pretty much given up. Coaches were calling ridiculous plays, the running game was totally inconsistent and there was no right tackle. He still moved the Titans. Coaches obviously saw this as Titans wanted him back and he had an offer from the Giants. I think he has potential to be a better stop gap QB than Rodgers or Russell. He is a rhythm type QB, and when he is on, he can look as good as the best of them. Yeah, he deserves a chance because he has shown that with good talent around him, he can be as good as half the qb in the league.

 

LOL Where did you get that odd little conspiracy theory? What is your explanation for the rest of the league passing on him repeatedly?

 

Anyone who thinks Rudolph has anything more than an average NFL arm doesn't know what they are looking at. He does throw deep with accuracy and touch, but that isn't the same thing. You are absolutely right about his mid-range throws to the sideline. That is wear the weakness shows.

 

Wow, you twisted yourself into some serious knots with that one.

Let's start with your first claim. Yes, the offense looked better for part of the Seattle game with Rudolph than it had with Roethlisberger. What you left out was that Roethlisberger tried to play through the elbow injury that ended his season in that game.

Rudolph had an entire month to recover from that concussion. He came back when he was medically cleared. That is a lame excuse for his poor performance the rest of the season.

Yes, Rudolph fell apart under pressure against the Browns. That's part of his problem. He stands tall in the pocket, but has no feel for the rush and no ability to move within the pocket.

He was bad in that game against the Lions. That he outplayed Goff is subjective and irrelevant. He did next to nothing most of the game against a terrible opponent.

Yes, he was in a bad situation with the Titans, but what does that tell you? He simply isn't effective when the defense pressures him or challenges him. That's not good.

 

I don`t care about the rest of the league, just the Steelers .

 

So your conspiracy theory is something you made up and you are going to ignore any facts you don’t like. Got it.

 

I mean he hit some slants to Pickens during that run that made all the difference. His footwork while working through his reads just doesn't match up though.

Just looked at Ben's combine drills and it's pretty obvious that he had the base to be successful. Not seeing that improvement from Mason that I thought we'd see.

 

I think you nailed a big part of the problem, his footwork, especially when there is pressure.

 

Boxers have to sit out 45 to 90 days after getting knocked out depending on severity of injury. Rudolph’s knockout was about as serious as it gets. If you don’t thing that didn’t have an effect on his performance, you are clueless about human psychology or just being disingenuous. The Steelers medical staff did him disservice by clearing him after 4 weeks. On top of that he was being called a racist on national tv with very lukewarm support from coach. Those things obviously affected his play against Cincinnati. He destroyed Cincinnati the next time he played them. He had also beaten them earlier in that season pretty handily.

He does need to get better with pocket awareness, but he is getting better as he moved around better than Will Levis last year. He has learned to go through his progressions quicker and is quicker with his release. Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Dan Fouts did pretty well with being statue in pocket, but all of them had great OL. Mason can do well and win you playoff games with decent OL. Steelers can get that done with his cap friendly salary.

 

Now this my friend is a window licker

 

Rudolph is a career backup, nothing more than that. He was signed to be a backup to whoever ends up being the starting QB this season.

 

yo jeh. yo. c'mon man. jeh. hey. i'm right here. don't you see me. jeh. jeh. get away from my bowl reggie i can see you. hey stop it.

 

And that sir is exactly what it is

12 times a day

 

i know that feeling. two dogs across the road, cat that walks across the bottom of my driveway, bunny in wifes flower garden, deer in yard, so much to monitor out there. last year had the baby bunny in his mouth, didn't hurt it, treated it like one of his toys and then put it down. half german shepherd, half golden. 122 LB. dog. big boy. he's in he's out. makes me crazy sometimes. my buddy.

 

He was brought in as an insurance in case neither Aaron Rodgers or Wilson sign here. They already had a much cheaper back up. He does have a winning record as a starter despite being with Titans last year.

 

I take in strays rejects and rescues etc

So far over time I’ve had 13 dogs and 6 cats

And I’m not even a cat fan but they were all pretty cool

Most at one time was 4 dogs and 2 cats

And we would all go in the woods taking walks together

One dog can open the sliding screen door and does so and steps back

Another dog can open the patio door and does so and they all walk in

No one closes the door

One day a ground hog walked into the kitchen and said hello to my wife

Go Yinz Stiller’s n’ at

 

Honk. Honk.

 

Mine likes to keep tight monitor on the back yard proceedings, with an especially keen eye kept on House Benny (bunny), Gerdie (groundhog), and the Raccoon Federation. Normally surveillance is tense but civil, unless eye contact is made. Then it's

 

If what I read is true, that Rodgers wants a 2 yr deal and isn't getting offered one, then WTF? I am fine with 2 years. If you feel good enough about 41 year old on a 1 yr, then 2 yrs is fine. Maybe word the contract in a way that allows for a soft out, where the cap hit and guarantee on year 2 is quite a bit less, maybe via having to have played in at least 14 games in year 1? I don't know, something like that. I get the reticence, but no matter what people thing, Rodgers is our best option to be something more than mediocrity fodder for the AFC. It't our only lightning in a bottle shot left.

I do still want them to draft a QB, we so need a good DL, that pick 21 pretty much has to be a DL, unless they go off the board. QB outside possibility, but I'd think round 3 dart throw makes more sense unless they're in love with Jaxson Dart or Quinn Ewers. I think I like DArt more, but both had some struggles against GOOD SEC teams, (Ewers moreso than Dart).

If not round 1 or 3, then swing for upside with good makeup (charismatic, intelligent, but maybe physically not quite NFL grade) in round 5 or 6, small school QB or something).

 

Boxers function in completely different situations. The goal of their opponent is to give them a concussion. Football players are certainly vulnerable to concussions, but it is not the same thing. Football players are allowed to come back from concussions far more quickly, but they still have to be medically cleared as Rudolph was in 2019.

Also, you have no clue about the severity of Rudolph's concussion. Every concussion is different and none of them can be evaluated properly watching on television. It was clear he had one, but that's about it. You have no idea if the concussion affected his play later in the season. That he had great numbers the first time against the Bengals is irrelevant. That was the game when Cinci's linebacking corps was in shambles. All he did most of that game was dump the ball off to his backs and the Bengals couldn't handle it. That wasn't exactly the stuff of Dan Marino in his prime.

Speaking of Marino, he wasn't always a statue in the pocket. He wasn't fast and he certainly wasn't a threat to run, but he moved extremely well within the pocket. He also had the quickest release I've ever seen. Brady also moved extremely well in the pocket. Rudolph is the opposite. He has terrible pocket awareness. He doesn't move well at all. He is 29 years old, so it is laughable to think he is going to magically figure that out.

Even more ridiculous is saying that Rudolph's terrible performance against the Bengals in 2019 must be a concussion-driven fluke because he had a strong game against them in 2023. That was four years later. I'm not sure the Bengals had a single player left on that defense in 2023 from the one in 2019. That argument alone would be enough to sink everything else you posted.

 

He was knocked out cold. That was about as bad it gets. Boxers don't have 350 lbs linemen coming at you and slamming you to the turf. I would argue that trauma from hard nfl hits is probably worse.

If Rudolph moved well in the pocket, he would be a franchise qb, or a top ten qb. Moving well in a pocket is also something you develop if you have a bad OL along your QB journey. Mason probably had a good OL until he came to the Steelers. He started doing better when he played for the Titans (as he was always under pressure). I would venture that he was doing this better than Will Levis as he ran for first downs and looked to complete passes, while Levis just threw incompletes out of bounds.

I am talking about 2019 idiot. He played Cincinnati earlier that year and beat them 27-3 and had a 124.6 passer rating. He was 24/28 for 229 yds with 2 TD no interceptions. Pretty good for his second NFL start. I don't think your boy Pickett had a game in his entire nfl starting career that exceeded that efficiency. [/QUOTE]

 

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No, it wasn't as bad as it gets. Knocked out cold happens fairly often. A fencing response is usually a worse indicator, though again, it is utterly ridiculous to claim you can diagnose the severity of a concussion when you only saw it on television.

Rudolph has flaws other than his inability to move in the pocket. His arm is average at best. He doesn't react well under pressure, either.

Please don't resort to childish name-calling just because you made a poor argument. You referred to his next outing against the Bengals, too. That was the big game he had in 2023. Nice attempt to try to cover it up, though. You failed, but it was an interesting attempt.

 

When someone is knocked out cold for any length of time as Rudolph was, its serious. I haven't seen any other QB knocked out cold that was any worse than that incident. I clearly indicated that I was talking about that year and again in 2023 as I wrote down "He had also beaten them earlier in that season pretty handily." I can't get any clearer than that. It was you who tried to bring out 2023 outing in isolation when I clearly indicated his play in 2019 too.