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Some thoughts on the first three days of free agency

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Thor, Mar 13, 2025.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yeah, every year people talk about trading back but this year would really be fitting.

    Khan and Tomlin hate doing it though.
     
  2. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Amazing, one year later we are in the same qb situation. And even brought Mason back after letting him go for the 2 knuckleheads we had at qb last season. This is a true life comedy or horror movie.
    These coaches get paid millions and they still make idiotic decisions
     
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    or way down and get some more. i agree.:cool:
     
  4. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Quick question, does anybody feel that collusion by Steelers, Giants and Vikings is happening?
    Not that I really care for Aaron Rodgers or Russ Wilson. But something is going on. I can
    only hope Steelers won't be penalized. I can't believe our FO put the organization in such a pickle
    that we could be held hostage by these 2 over the hill players. I give our FO an F for planning.
    I wish we would have just let Kyle Allen and Mason Rudolf battle it out for the year and get QB in2026. I hope Steelers draft a QB in this draft too.
     
  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    A draft day trade for an established QB who can win a SB? Who would give up one of those?

    The bank of cap dollars is for Rodgers.
     
  6. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    It depends. If a top DL is still there, you have to use the pick. The film of Grant is strong in terms of NFL potential and versatility. He can potentially be that 2 gap anchor in the middle on run downs and stay on the field as an elite interior pass rusher. He’s a rare breed. I haven’t spent time watching film on Harmon yet, but I’ve heard comparisons to Heyward. That would easily be worth taking at #21 if true. I think Nolen may be worth the pick as well. Again, he’s a guy that I haven’t spent much time studying but he stood out to me big time watching Ole Miss on Saturdays. They were one of the leading sack teams in the country last year, and Nolen’s inside rush was the straw that stirred the drink.
     
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  7. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    No. Rodgers is just being Rodgers, and he’s the guy the Steelers and Giants want. Neither wants to sign Wilson as anything other than the consolation prize. I’m not sure about the Vikings. If they’re interested or if that’s a media concoction.
     
  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    if they do move back they still get some really good talent on the DL. as i said before alfred collins made more tackles last year than any of those top four guys. you also get in to the D-Linemen from notre dame too riley mills. not to shabby but was hurt to end the year. both interior D-linemen from ohio state are good. hamilton and williams. there are others as well. this position goes very deep this year. :cool:
     
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  9. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Can you believe the Steelers were so unprepared, to be put into this situation?
     
  10. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don’t think they were unprepared at all. I’m seeing a lot of hand wringing on the board about Darnold and Fields and people complaining about how the team was unprepared or cheap. What it tells me is that there were prices that the team would not go beyond for these players. They could probably have resigned Fields before free agency opened had they wanted to, but clearly he was far from the 1st choice and/or there was a limit to how much they would pay to keep him. A value was placed on him and the Jets beat it. Same with Darnold. I see claims that they “bungled” the QB position by not signing him. Really? How has Darnold’s career been to date? He had one good regular season with a catastrophic ending (with a hell of a supporting cast). That’s his career to date. IF Darnold even had interest in coming here, and IF the team was even interested, there was a value that the team wouldn’t exceed. Fans always assume “we could have paid him that and gotten him.” No, we have no idea. Players play for money, but I doubt that any of them just say “I’ll go to the highest bidder no matter what.” There are other factors that go into decisions just like when anyone takes a new job.

    In my view Rodgers has always been the top target. I don’t like it, but of all of the options he may be the one most capable of a one year run in 2025. I don’t know for sure if he’s the target, but everything points that way to me. Signing Slay for 1 year screams “all in for 1 year” to me.

    What I am very confident of is that the team was not unprepared. There are decisions and values placed on players that may turn out to be bad moves or non-moves, but they are calculated decisions.
     
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  11. Trafalgar

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    Can't believe they weren't in on Daniel Jones 1 year $14M as a bridge...Rudolph as #2, pr they could have just brought Fields, now look what they left with...

    These idiots clearly think they can compete with Captain Darkness Retreat or Washed up Wilson.

    :facepalm:
     
  12. Thor

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    Just like you're saying with all the factors a player considers when choosing a team, for me there's more nuance behind saying the team appeared unprepared. I don't doubt that they've got certain thresholds in mind for what they are willing to pay, but sometimes the market dictates what you're going to have to spend for what's most optimal for your club.

    This year's crop of QBs, in the draft and free agency, is below average. While I'm not advocating for a dramatic overspend on a short-term option, I think if you're going to put the resources they did into acquiring a Metcalf for an Arthur Smith offense, you have to be prepared to lock up one of the better QB options. As much as I didn't want to watch Fields working his way through progressions again next year, I think he was the best option out there, particularly for this offense. We don't know what kind of money is involved with Rodgers yet, but anybody not named Brady that's eclipsed 40 is a huge risk - not to mention whatever baggage he may bring. Fields may never get any better, but at least at $20M per over the next two years he wouldn't be falling off a cliff either.

    There could be some deeper strategy in play with Metcalf (potential Pickens replacement, e.g.), but investing what they did in him without ensuring they had the best QB option secured is akin to paying big money for a closer in baseball when your starting rotation is sketchy. Of course, maybe it's like you said and they saw Rodgers as the top option. But reports that they had pitched an offer to Fields (along with Rooney's comments after the season), and then Darnold, gave the impression that that wasn't necessarily the case.
     
  13. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    rodgers can and will be better than fields will ever be getting the ball spread around. russell would also be better at reading defenses to spread the ball around. not sure why people have this notion that fields is some kind of savior. BS. mason will be better at reading a defense and spreading the ball around than fields. dear lord people. they will have a QB come the start of the season. fields will continue to struggle. it's not his change of scenery that is his problem. i expect darnold will be back to his previous self soon as well. you better fix the O-Line or nobody will be able to look good here. :cool:
     
  14. Lambert

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    Despite the problems at QB, it goes well beyond that. They have more holes than the draft will fill. They have ignored FA beyond depth moves. The roster is worse now than when the season ended and there aren't enough options left to change that. And they basically brought the entire coaching staff back. Omar failed.
     
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  15. Thor

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    Not sure why you think I thought of him as some kind of savior, if that's what you're insinuating. Watching Fields process the coverages and work his progressions was painful at times, but there's more to whether a QB can be more effective in a system than that. And simply saying they'll have a QB at the start of the season is a weak retort that totally misses the point.
     
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  16. Hanratty#5

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    Mason Rudolph's play secured the Titans the first overall pick in this years draft. Hopefully he can do that again for the Steelers this coming season.
     
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  17. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i didn't mention you by name but his problems go deeper than just being the best guy available. he wasn't. he has a lot of issues and is why he is playing musical chairs. i'm so glad he's not here. i got to watch him every week in buckeye land as well. it hasn't changed. :cool:
     
  18. Blast Furnace

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    Out of all the available QB’s, Fields and Darnold are the only ones that had the chance of being a long term answer with Darnold holding a better chance of the two. For that matter alone one of them should have been obtained while drafting a QB as well.

    I’m not going to kill Khan over it because none of them were great options but those were the only two with a chance to be more than a one year solution.
     
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  19. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    fields didn't make it through a full season last year. what changed to make you or anyone think it would have improved? ( if he only was given the chance?) i'm pretty sure they knew what they had. if either were it i think they would have been here. i really think the vikes saw the light as well. :cool:
     
  20. Thor

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    One of the problems with the whole picture is the paucity of good QB talent available this offseason. I remember reading a FA primer that listed the top five options available by position and Rodgers was listed as the #2 QB. The author opened with, "that a 42 year-old Aaron Rodgers who led the Jets to just five wins last year is our #2 QB option should tell you all you need to know about the strength of this year's FA class."

    So as much as I don't like what appeared to be a soft follow-up to the Metcalf acquisition, it's hard to get too worked up about it, because the chances that Darnold or Fields would've shown a transcendent uptick in play is low. But Rodgers is a tick below that, and if the rumors he wants Darnold APY money are true, pass.

    The other thing to bear in mind is whatever he would pay Fields or Rodgers (or Wilson) wouldn't have an effect on comp pick assessments next year. Rodgers was cut, and Fields was our FA. So that may have factored in how much he was willing to offer Darnold.
     
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  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Steelers better hope so or it’s going to be a real big black eye on the organization.

    No one has a crystal ball, Mac.
     
  22. jeh1856

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    No

    Nicht

    Nein

    Nyet
     
  23. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    No they don't but you have to go with what you see. Mason was a good signing, especially for the money. Draft and fix the things you can. Not every pick will be Kenny pickett. Mason back with the qb coach that had him playing the best I had seen him here. Hopefully it keeps going with him and whomever they add. :cool:
     
  24. Formerscribe

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    The Steelers had plenty of cap room going into free agency. If they couldn't secure a possible long-term option, they needed to get one for a year or two. Khan failed at all of that while also failing to use all that cap space to get help on the lines and in the secondary. Slay is fine, but not enough. This idea of sticking to their guns on contract offers is blowing up in their faces.
     
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  25. AskQuestionsLater

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    I would encourage a trade down personally.


    Even if the team only nets a Third Round Pick plus a 5th or 6th, exchanging a First Round for another?! I'm game personally.


    That said, should Kenneth Grant be there at Pick 21?! No way. This team is in DIRE NEED of a Superstar NT in the worst way possible. Kenneth Grant has the potential to be just that.
     
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