Do QBs really win Championships or are DT's winning championships?

as the lions and even philly showed, the rest of the team can make the qb better. not that they aren't good qbs but the team around them are equally good. run game, wr's, defense and not just the front. o-line. that was KC's downfall. the two super bowls they lost had a lot to do with the o-lines.

 

So by your logic, I'm suggesting that you need to build your team around a STUD Defensive Tackle. Because they're winning Championships. They've tried building around Josh Allen, Joe Burrows, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Justin Herbert, Derick Henry and every other stud player. And those guys aren't winning. But the top Defensive Tackles are winning titles. So why not build around that one player that can disrupt an offensive's entire game plan. And not for nothing but the Giants won because of Strahan and building a defensive line around him. Similar to what I'm suggesting.

 

Are you sure about that? KC has a great offensive line and the Eagles DL dominated.
Patriots had a great offensive line and the Giants DL dominated in the Superbowl with Michael Strahan and company.
Rams had the greatest show on turf and their Offensive line was great but the Pats DL dominated with Richard Seymour and Willie McGinest.

I'm not sure I agree with your Rock, Paper, Scissors analogy although I like the thought process.

 

The Eagles had exceptional complete team momentum, something I have not seen in a long while. They had the best defense and O-line. Tough to draw conclusions from this one season.

On your list, almost all were lead by elite QB`s. Eagles found a way in 2017.

I think an exceptional defense lowers the bar for the elite QB requirement a notch, but those defenses don`t come along very often. Has to be a complete defense, not just one exceptional guy to make the deference. But yeah, must have a top tier guy in middle of the D line.

 

How about 2005 Steelers? Roethlisberger with one of the worst ratings for a SB QB but the defense saved his bacon.

 

Complete teams win Superbowls, or need i point out that outside of the 2017 eagles,Eagles, each of those teams also fielded an elite QB

 

please. ben won two super bowls with a good team around him, just like any super bowl team.

 

And Willie Parker

 

It has been stated thruout the year, that Philly
had possibly the most talented ROSTER in the entire league.
All 3 facets of the game must be strong for winning championships.
Football is the ultimate team game. Teams win championships. And
if you're not on board, as we are with certain positions, DB's, DL, WR
you must purge these groups and get better more impactful players.

 

YES with a hell of a block by
FANECA

 

Our DL needs a complete makeover.

Imagree with the original post.

 

Who were the DT's when Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien and maybe Nick Foles won the SB.

IMO they were 5 QB's who were not franchise guys and won a SB. Hostetler and Rypien were back to back.

 

Rypien was an elite quarterback the year Washington won the Super Bowl with him at quarterback. He just didn't stay at that level very long.

 

Philly's roster was definitely good there's no denying that. But would they have represented the NFC if every good team didn't have significant injuries?
Dallas, 49ers, Packers, Lions, Rams all had significant injuries this season. Are the Eagles more talented than the 49ers or Lions rosters (without injuries)? I'm not so sure they are.

Back in 2002 when Brad Johnson was winning a Superbowl Hall of Fame quarterbacks like Brett Farve, Donovan McNabb and Drew Brees were average QBs so a defensive tackle COULDN'T dominate against such greats. But in today's game the average QB is Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray, Geno Smith types. So defensive tackles CAN dominate a game against these type of QBs who often time play below average football.

 

The Eagles had the No. 1 defense in the NFL. They had studs at every level and some very good players around them. They had arguably the best offensive line in the league, the best running back in the NFL, and two stud receivers. Hurts isn't an elite quarterback, but the team around him was loaded.

 

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But part of them having the top defense (statistically) was because they played 4 games against the Giants and Cowboys. In those 4 games the Giant's scored: 3pts and 13pts.
And Dallas scored: 6pts and 7pts. I don't think the Eagles defense is as good as the 49ers or Lions when healthy. The Eagles had pretty much the same type of defense and offensive players as a year ago when they lost their last 8 games. The difference this season was their ez schedule (playing alot of bad offenses Giants x 2, Dallas x 2, Steelers, Jags, Pathers, Browns, Saints types), adding Saquon Barkley and changing their O and D Coordinators. But player personnel wise, they simply drafted a couple of rookies, {like every other team) and they stole Saquon.

 

How did they steal Barkley when NY was silly to let him go on the market?

 

But they aren't "winning championships" just because they just did... Chris Jones is a great player, but he isn't the reason why the Chiefs won in 2022. With a 16th ranked defense and the #1 offense, they won it because their offense. QB WR The 2023 team was opposite and they had more than just their high end DT, they had some great CB play, and LB play as well. The 2021 Rams had a great DT (albeit past his prime a bit) and great CB and could only muster the 15th ranked defense. They won because they had Stafford and Kupp and a quality offense.

My argument is that I don't think "high end DT" is the one ticket to win it all. Teams that win have multiple great players, and they all seem to be in different spots. There are numerous types of teams that can win it all. Heck, when we won, the defense was built around a SS and great edge rush/ILB play. You don't get to choose which players you draft turn out to be studs. You hope they all do, but only a few ever do. If its an edge rusher and a DT like we have, then that's what you build the defense around. If it is a RB and WR like it was in the mid 2010's then you go for that. You can build a winner around offense or defense. Secondary play or front 7. Rushing attack or all out passing... We don't have to sell out to assemble the avengers on the DL, because that isn't what is winning. Well build teams are winning. You should fill out your roster as best you can and when you hit high end studs, build around that player (pretty much regardless of what that player's position is).

 

That defense you don't think is good dominated the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. That was against Patrick Mahomes, who has a long history of carving up everybody in the postseason.

Also, they didn't just draft a couple of rookies, though Mitchell and DeJean both made a big impact in their first season. They also found a hidden gem at linebacker in Zack Baun, who became an All-Pro with the Eagles. Throw in the development of Carter up front and the personnel is a lot better than you realize. Maybe some other defense could have reached their level if some things had broken their way, but that didn't happen.

 

Jones has been a huge part of the Chiefs' success. Aaron Donald was a very big reason why the Rams won a Super Bowl, including making a dominant play at the end to help clinch the game. No single position is the one ticket to win it all, but dominant defensive fronts can control games. That is what we saw the Eagles do to the Chiefs.

 

I totally disagree with the notion that "TEAMS win Championships" or it takes "Multiple great players" to win a Championship. All 32 rosters are considered "TEAMS" and many good teams have "multiple great players" like the Cowboys, Ravens, Bills, 49ers etc.......

When it comes to winning Championships, I see patterns:
1. For years you needed either Tom Brady, Pat Mahomes, Big Ben, Eli or Peyton Manning to win.
2. If you don't have either of those QBs you need the best DT/Edge guy (Aaron Donald, Jaylen Carter, Strahan, Von Miller, Ndamakung Sue type)
3. A Top 3 cornerback (Richard Sherman, Aqib Talib, Jalen Ramsey, Darrelle Revis, Charles Woodson types)

When you look at the teams like (Bengals with Burrows, Panthers with Cam, Bills with Allen, Rodgers with Packers, Ravens with Lamar) that did not win the Superbowl or were beaten in the Conference Finals they lacked these key ingredient's to winning a Championship.

 

That Chiefs team was missing their starting LT and starting WR.
That Chiefs team won ten 1 score games this season.
That Chiefs team that everyone complained the refs were gifting them games. And the 1 game the refs weren't on their side, they got blown out.....

The Eagles had one of the easiest roads to the Superbowl that I can remember.
They beat a banged up Packers team, the Rams (a dome team) they beat in the snow and the Commanders who drafted #2 with a rookie QB.
Then beat Mahomes without his starting LT, starting WR, a rookie WR, no run game and a washed up TE.

I don't think anyone would be shocked if the Eagles are 3rd in their division next season with that same defense.