TOMLIN NEEDS TO GO…

Just because he or anyone else said it doesn’t make it true. Also he ran himself off. Nice try at revisionist history though

 

We might be better off as a whole if the door hit him, HARD. Repeatedly

 

Hell yea!!!!!! They are melting down worse than we are! lol. It all comes down to the QB you have. Lamar

who gives a **** about a “coaching tree?” Thats nothing but stupid pundit talk. I heard that sh!t for years about Belichek (Weiss, the dip**** that went to Denver, the loser at the Giants?). How many players have given Dan Campbell credit at their HOF speech for helping their career go forward? Tomlin has had several. Campbell lost two years in a row with arguably the best roster in football, this year with home field and a bi week. You can Tomlin bash all you want, but he got it done in ‘08, Campbell can’t get there. Detroit is going to start leaking players all over the league, it happens to everybody, when you have your team, you have to win.

 

Keep it simple - #2 all around with some trim work. Wife cuts my hair every 2 weeks, saves me $30-$40/month.

 

I agree!!!! Fire him and give it to anyone else… any ideas?

 

I don’t get it either the guy clearly does not know the game. He has to be amongst the worst to ever do it. What coach has only two Super Bowl rings in three appearances, 18 winning seasons? The numbers are terrible. Mike Vrabel has far better numbers as does many others. I can’t believe they pay him.

 

The Rooney family clearly has no idea what it takes to hire a decent coach and how to build a Super Bowl team.

 

Tomlin isn't going anywhere or it would've already happened. All we can hope for is additions to the current coaching staff and hope they can help Austin and Smith evolve their schemes. Nothing we say on here will change anything. I think we all vented on this disasterpiece of a coaching staff. It absolutely sucks that they'll be making minimal changes. But we can't let this affect our daily lives.

 

Either Rooney knows it and chooses to ignore it or Rooney simply doesn't care.


Take your pick.


Hell, go with all of the above if that is one's fancy.

 

Former Steelers linebacker James Harrison had a direct criticism of coach Mike Tomlin.

As mined over at SteelersDepo t, Harrison appeared on the " Why Willie Show " with ex-teammate Willie Colon and J.J. Williams.During his visit, Harrison said, "'The standard is the standard,' it feels like a saying now. It's not something you actually see."

Harrison also dismissed the usual national media narrative that Tomlin has actually been overachieving the last eight years with underwhelming talent.

"If I'm the head coach of a football team and I've been the head coach of this football team for (18 years), and now the team's not doing well -- that all has to fall on my shoulders. Because I've been here long enough to be able to draft who I want and put the guys in the positions that I need," Harrison said. "For me to be like, 'I haven't been (able to) get this or get that.' Well, I'm the guy who's supposed to be getting that. And I've been here long enough to get it."

Amen to all of that.

Harrison played for Tomlin from 2007-12. Then he left for Cincinnati for a year and came back in 2014, playing three-and-a-half more years in Pittsburgh before getting traded to New England.

 

We disagree. Tomlin is very conservative, lives-in-his-fears kind of coach. He says the opposite, but his decisions to not go for 4th and 1, to punt with sub 3 minutes left and the other team with lead and having their way with our D...we see this ALL the time with him.

I guarantee you at this point Tomlin has full autonomy with how the football team is run, who is hired at coach positions, gameplans, offensive and defensive systems, etc. Rooney only steps in when a player or coach may have unwanted warts (and he doesn't do this enough givne our problem child players). Rooney says things "need to improve" or "I'm not satisfied" but does nothing at all to change that. I am sure they have meetings, but at the end of the day, a coach that is 18 years in his position has full autonomy. They start off with limits and gradually get more and more power, as much as they want actually. If Tomlin wanted to be GM too, he'd be that 7 or 8 years ago. Its 90% Tomlin and 10% Rooney and ownership.

If this were Dan Synder or Jerry Jones, I could see your arugument, but Rooney's are low meddlesome owners.

This sad decade plus of Steelers football is very much Tomlin's doing. He's the only common denominator with hands in every cookie jar. That is all the reason you need to come to this conclusion. He can't or won't hire good assistants and seems content to try and win field-goal fests which has proven to work to some degree in the regular season, but gets laughed at and shredded come playoff time when GOOD NFL teams are on the docket.

 

About MT being the only cheerleader in the Hall ?

 

Finally!

It's about time somebody started a thread voicing concern over Tomlin's shortcomings.

 

Our youth movement is coming

 

I looked

 

Well if you're going to list off someone's accomplishments, adding a SB appearance and victory that never happened to their resume is one way to go about it.... It also isn't 18 "winning" seasons. Its 18 "non-losing" seasons as 8-8 was good enough to keep that streak alive on 3 separate occasions. Maybe the conversation would be different if Tomlin is who you say he is... but his resume isn't what you're telling us it is.

Tomlin has been to two SB's and won one. His last trip was a loss to GB 15 years ago. He's been 3-9 since then (losing 6 in a row now) in the postseason, allowing an average of 30ppg (scoring only 22.5ppg). He's won our division 4 times the past 14 years (winning it 3 times in his first 4 years). You can't list off a stream of accomplishments and neglect to add any of the bad. Its disingenuous. He can't be the reason why anything good has happened the past 18 years and be completely absolved of the bad - What coach goes a 6 year stretch where they win 1 division title, lose all 3 playoff games they participate in by double digits, have a negative point differential in 4 of the 6 regular seasons.... and get a contract extension that makes them the third highest paid coach in the league? That is just wild, and I think even supporters of his can acknowledge that. He had a great 5 year start to his career... He's been very, very, okay since then.

As someone who has played pro sports, I completely understand the 18 year streak of non-losing is pretty crazy. Highly unlikely, and he is very obviously doing SOMETHING right to make that happen. I also know that there is a reason why we've been 3-9 since 2010 in postseason play (hint: its not everyone else that isn't named Tomlin's fault). Tomlin is neither a bum nor a great coach, and I think we as a fan base speak in extremes too much. Being realistic, he's a solid coach. The players love playing for him and love him as a person. The media loves him even more. He has the personal achievements to show for it... However, he's proven to be someone that is either unwilling or unable to surround himself with quality coaching support. His teams are notorious slow starters (see: poor gameplan) and the gameplans/schemes lack any creativity or innovation (this trend transcends multiple coordinators on both sides of the ball). And the most painful part of rooting for a team coached by Tomlin is that his teams wilt when the lights are the brightest. It is impossible to deny that at this point.

For him to be successful again in the post season he has to surround himself with coordinators that are great at what they do (and leave the game planning and scheming to them). This will allow him to be good at the things he's good at, and let other people run the stuff that he very obviously isn't good at. However, ownership gave him that power already and it doesn't look like they're taking it back. So in all likelihood the rest of Tomlin's tenure in Pittsburgh is doomed to be a repeat of the past 5-7 years. We will be solid, never great, and we won't win anything when it matters. The only way to break the chain is to just move on. It's tough obviously, because we could do much worse than Tomlin at coach... but we shouldn't be of the mindset that we can't do better, because we certainly can.

 

For “someone that played the sport” I would have thought you would have known Tomlin was a defensive coach with Tampa when they won a Super Bowl? maybe you should know WTF you are talking about before you issue your stupid dissertations.

 

First off... I didn't "play the sport", I played pro sports. Big difference. I was a golfer, not a football player lol I do this message board thing for fun, not to dunk on idiots or to up my self esteem. I just know how professional sports work and felt my experience has some relevancy to the discussion. Sorry for adding it? lmao

Second off, He wasn't even a coordinator... he was a DB's coach in Tampa lol so, who cares? Steve Spagnuolo won 4 SB's as a coordinator but has a 10-41 record as a HC.... Is it time to start calling Spags a better coach than Tomlin? Lol of course not. That's some weird arbitrary thing to add to a conversation where we are talking about the Head Coach. You listed "18 years" in your post (which, of course, is his tenure as a HC. Not his entire NFL coaching tenure), it was a safe assumption to believe you were talking about Tomlin's HC career (which was what we were discussing in the thread, no?) and not his career as an NFL position coach.

I was adding to the discussion by pointing out what I thought was a mistake, not attacking you personally. No need to take it so personally.

 

I didn’t say he won 2 super bowls as a head coach and I think a guy that was a coach on a team that won a championship knows a hell of a lot more than we do. You said I listed his resume, I think being an assistant coach on a championship team would be listed right? If you had been a coach on that team I think you would have likely led with that.

 

No you didn't, its just his record as a positional coach was irrelevant to the discussion, so I made an assumption that is what you meant. That is all.

Of course he knows more than me lol every coach in the league knows more than me.... But knowing more than me isn't a calling card for what I want in the head coach. Also, him knowing more that me doesn't mean I can't hold an opinion that there's a non-zero chance that someone else can do better than him.