Wilson In contract talks

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Win now? I don't think there's gonna be as much winning in '25... aka 10 wins... as there was this year. Steelers have to play the best division in the NFL, the NFC North. Steelers barely beat the Giants (bad team) and Commanders (good team)... and lost to the Cowboys (bad team) and got smacked by the Eagles (good team). Steelers will get tooled by the Packers, Vikings and Lions. Not enough consistency on offense to score with those teams and these games will be track meets, unless Steelers address the DL and get another CB to go with JPJ. Hell... the Bears are gonna be improved with HC Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams in second year with better weapons than whoever the Steelers QB will have...... so the Bears will likely be a loss for the Steelers too.

Not to mention... the Bengals won't fold early like they did last year and improve on D, Ravens will be the same which is much better than Steelers.... and Browns will likely have a better FA QB or early round 1 draft pick.

Steelers would be better off just to go into rebuild mode. This win now stuff is a pipe dream.

 

No accountability at all.

 

If it's like a 2 year deal and they draft a guy I'm okay with it.

 

Putting the 'win now' language aside, it's not hard to be glass-half-empty about next season when your team just ended the current year on a six-game skid and the HC doesn't inspire great leaps forward in change. Still, team dynamics change across the league every year, with some clubs that finish on the upswing thanks to a breakout player, a new HC, or some top-line FA/trade/draft acquisition in place that doesn't pan out the following year (and vice-versa). Not to mention better teams on the season aren't always the better teams on Sunday.

If I had to lay money down at this point I'd have a hard time crossing below that 9-8 threshold, just as I'd have a hard time putting any on a playoff win.

 

Draft a guy in the first or draft a guy later

Consensus is there is not going to be anyone worth taking in the first when we pick

Taking someone in say the third would most likely be a waste of a draft pick based on previous history

 

Oh, I agree about the rebuild. I mean that the team/Front office will probably be in more of a win now mode if they sign Russ, meaning that drafting a QB early is less likely as they'll be picking players that they feel may pay dividends this season. You'll probably see a wr and rb in the first 3 rds.

 

Later, I'm okay with them using any round after round 1 on a QB.

I think they have some options for CB or DL in round 1.

 

I say we go with Fields and draft a Faster RB and a WR who can get open quick..This is the RB I like ..https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Dylan-Sampson-RB-Tennessee We need some game breaking speed instead of the big FB type...https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Emeka-Egbuka-WR-OhioState

This is the WR I like he would add a lot of speed .. I dont like the BPA draft appoach we need to target what we need and the guys who will fit with Fields ..

Speed is the way to go IMO...

 

Yeah, but chances of injuries to QBs like Burrow, LJ, Love, Goff, etc.... are greatly reduced because of the new rules to benefit QBs and WRs. So Steelers can't count on teams losing their franchise QB to IR. We took advantage of that in 2017, sand-bagged wins against teams that probably would have beaten us with their starter... and ended up with 13 wins, when we were a 10 win team at best. The playoff loss to Jax proved Steelers were empty suits. Steelers have been an absolute joke in the playoffs since then.

Hell.... our best playoff showing since 2016 was last year with Mason Rudolph at QB vs. Bills.

 

They didn't need injuries to the QB to beat Cincinnati and Baltimore once each, Washington, San Diego, and Atlanta (if you want to count Cousins, since it was the beginning of the year).

 

It isn't entirely true that Fields would have fared better against the pass rush. Throughout his career, Fields has had many of the same issues with the rush as Wilson, holding the ball too long and taking sacks when he should have gotten rid of the ball. He has struggled to make quick decisions. Yes, he can do some damage when he takes off and runs, but that doesn't mean he has a good feel for the rush or know show to move or step up within the pocket. Tom Brady never ran. Dan Marino rarely did, especially after his knee issues got worse. Both of them had a tremendous feel for the pass rush and knew exactly how to move in the pocket. Fields is not good at those things.

Now try doing that comparison with Fields's starts with Wilson's first six games instead of the final six. That is where the improvement was clear. Of course, you chose the stretch of games that left out Wilson's best games, especially the dominant performance against the Bengals.

Also, take into consideration that Wilson faced far more difficult competition in his final five games than Fields did in his six starts. He also played three of those games without Pickens, who played in all six starts by Fields. That is a massive difference given how poor the rest of the receiving corps was this season.

The running game also got better when Wilson took over and he was a big part of that. I know some believed that Fields would open up room for the running backs by being a threat to carry the ball himself, but it didn't work that way because defenses just stacked the box and attacked. They didn't buy Fields as a threat to hurt them with passes down the field. They had to back off once Wilson took over because he can make opponents pay with his deep passing game, something Fields doesn't do nearly enough.

 

This take ignores the real difference between the Steelers for most of the 2017 season and the team that faced the Jaguars in the playoffs, the loss of Ryan Shazier. That devastated the defense, in part because his replacements sucked.

 

According to Pittsburgh Steelersquarterback Russell Wilson, the team and his representatives have begin the process of contract negotiations to keep Wilson with the Steelers. Wilson is set to be an unrestricted free agent this offseason.

 

Don’t worry now way Tomlin doesn’t stay with Russ and we will see the same as we saw this year add all the wide receivers you want to and it will not change a thing for Wilson as Pete Carol gave up on him Sean Payton gave up on him and we all know they can’t be smarter than Tomlin or have better vision of how to scheme an offense. I will bet ya Tomlin brings Russ back as he can’t coach a young qb or let him grow as he will throw picks while he learns. He wants old school offense and defense and the mobile QBs will torch us again as the rest of the league has moved on but not the Steelers.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/Gj9LZ_CLQSU?si=FL_p_s6McX63sXfj

 

Fields or Wilson, that is pick your poison. One can't throw deep accurately, the other is washed, and neither reads defenses well. They need to bring in another cheap free-agent arm in camp, have real competition, and go with the best guy.

None of our options are going to propel this team in 2025.

Is the coaching and scheme getting better? Will the draft hit on more players? Is the offensive line and running game getting significantly better? Can the defense sustain the level of play given the minutes on the field?

Will our owner stop using the Magic 8 Ball to make decisions about the team?

Those answers are all leaning towards 'No' right now. I doubt this team will make the playoffs next season. Whatever QB is the starter next year is merely a bridge to a future QB.

 

Well our pro bowl OL, All Pro RB, All Pro WR and 2-time Super Bowl winning QB should have scored enough points to win to compensate for the loss of Ryan Shazier...... and they didn't. The End.

 

Yep.

And a lot of people came here trying to say pickens was starting crap.

I know some have a reason they're not happy with him. But the media has a hard on of hate towards pickens.

Literally @jeh1856 couldn't even be happy with what Pickens did for our post season..... that's sad.

 

Wilson may be a better pure passer right now than JF but one guy has potential upside and the other should retire yesterday. It was obviously a mistake and don’t get me wrong im not saying JF would have been better or we would have won a playoff game but at least you could have developed a younger option.