Has Khan, Weidl, and Tomlin Been Given Enough time?

Agree. Great coaches with a great staff puts players in position to win and Tomlin has achieved that. It's ok to recognize his achievements whilst also recognizing his shortcomings. Everything has an expiration date and it has long expired.

 

IMO.....Khan has done a great job delivering quality players to the team. It is up to the coaches to make them NFL players. The coaches should be getting the most out of the players. The coaches should be developing those players and giving them a winning game plan.

I think that the players are being provided to the team and that the coaching is the main part where the failure is happening.

Not every new player will be a superstar. Some will be an absolute OMG what were we thinking? But I do think that for the last few drafts, we have done very well overall...... The coaching leaves a lot to be desired though.

 

IMO.....Khan has done a great job delivering quality players to the team. It is up to the coaches to make them NFL players. The coaches should be getting the most out of the players. The coaches should be developing those players and giving them a winning game plan.

I think that the players are being provided to the team and that the coaching is the main part where the failure is happening.

Not every new player will be a superstar. Some will be an absolute OMG what were we thinking? But I do think that for the last few drafts, we have done very well overall...... The coaching leaves a lot to be desired though.

 

Tomlin? Yes, 5 years too long

Khan and Weidl, no, especially with just two drafts and the upper round rookie injuries this year that lingered all year.
The reality is, come August it will be like we have an additional 1st and 3rd round pick on the roster, with Fautanu and Wilson barely seeing the field in 2024, they'll be NEW additions to whatever they draft/trade/sign this off-season.

So far, the drafts have been better than anything Colbert did his last 5 years. Colberts subpar drafts are why we're in such bad shape at 4+ different positions. 20 years ago, Steelers seemed to have such good roster they could just draft BPA, but now, they HAVE to target a few positions.

I saw something yesterday about whether Steelers should accumulate draft assets for 2026. I agree with this. The QB draft will be stronger and they're still too far away to be a contender in 2025.
I'd trade a couple of vets, see if a TJ Watt can get a 1st back or Minkah or whomever. Trade Pickens, talent is there, brain is not.

I'd REALLY like to see them traded Tomlin, especially if one writers opinion is close to true, that Tomlin might bring two 1st round picks. Freaking do that tomorrow morning. That would get this team on the right path and quicker path to contetion than any other move. Even if you had to settle for a 2026 and/or 2027.

 

Disagree. The lack of playoff wins over the last decade and recent losses in humiliating fashion prove the "Cowher's Players" philosophy.

Tomlin is at best an above-average coach. He is merely a good motivator but a terrible tactician and not very innovative. His defenses have been buttercream in the biggest moments going back to those losses since Tebow and Bortles.

He had a cabal of media cheerleaders that over-inflated his coaching ability for years.

Any coach worth their salt could have made that Super Bowl run in 2008. I give him credit for winning that Superbowl, but that was seventeen years ago. The resume hasn't notched anything new since.

Tomlin had an opportunity to change the narrative in Baltimore in the Wild Round last weekend and came up small once more. Just win a single playoff game.

Tomlin will only have success elsewhere with a premium QB on the roster, he isn't innovative or tactically brilliant enough otherwise.

 

The buy-in on Tomlin by the Steelers players is gone. He could take some fresh ears and get them playing good.
That Cowher stuff is almost 20 years ago. Get over it.

 

Why didn't Cowher win more with Cowher players?


Tomlin definitely inherited a great situation players-wise.


The reason for any success the Steelers had since 1995 is BigBen.

 

Ok. Even if you remove the comparison to Cowher, it doesn't change the fact Mike Tomlin is overrated and his reputation was pumped up by national sports media.

That coaching reputation is starting to take some dents given the playoff record.

His pom-pom schtick is outdated in the modern NFL. He has no feel for offense or game management. I think it likely he goes to another team and falls flat on his face.

I agree with you the buy-in by the players is gone and he needs to go somewhere else.

 

I agree on that point. I remember that Superbowl loss. Brutal. Cowher was a better coach than Tomlin, but he should have won more. No argument from me.

I was supportive of Tomlin until that playoff loss against Tim Tebow. That was my turning point that he wasn't all that.

My point is Tomlin's coaching reputation is more by media hype and less by results on the field.

You are right, Big Ben has been the reason for this team's success. The priority for this team had to be to find his replacement in 2026.

 

The opposite is actually en vogue amongst NFL circles these days. The whole let's "get the best coaching mind" we can is being supplanted by the "leader of men" philosophy. Mainly because so many of these co-ordinators who were great schemers didn't know how to run a team. The X and O's are the reason the Dolphins chose Adam Gase over Dan Campbell. That probably wouldn't happen today.

TIFWIW: Neither Cowher nor Tomlin were/are exactly known as X and O guys.

 

Maybe. That doesn't mean they are right given the rules favor the passing game. The better coaches currently have some X and O ability and know the key is a successful offense.

I'll take an Andy Reid over a Cowher or Tomlin any day of the week.

 

Too early to tell on Khan and Weidl but im satisfied so far. They have added a lot of young guys with upside that look like they could be long term starters, Porter, Benton, Frazier, P Wilson and McCormick and hopefully more to come from BroJo and Fautanu

People need to understand how decimated this roster was when they took over following a half decade of absolutely abysmal drafting under Colbert

Tomlin, we all know what we are getting with him. Most fans would like to move on from what I can tell, but it’s not happening.

The big test for this front office will be solving the QB conundrum. It doesn’t look like they’ll be able to do it in this draft but they’ll have to make a move in 2026 you’d think.

 

well, duh. Reid is clearly both an X and O's guy and a leader of men. That's why he may be the best coach in the league right now. The point is NFL owners currently want the leader over the schemer if they had to pick. The Adam Gases, Josh McDaniels, Dom Capers, and Brian Dabolls haven't worked out. Great co-ordinators though.

 

I like Khan and Weidl. They can only do so much while adjusting to Tomlin’s wants too.

 

I'll say it again. They shouldn't have to. The FO should have the final say on roster composition. if they don't, then there is a clear organizational problem and that's on ARII. That's not Khan, Weidl, or Tomlin's fault. Decisions by committee suck. You need someone responsible and accountable.

 

Funny we’re talking about our talent acquisition. As we post, Eagles Rams-game, we may see Kenny come in for an injured Hurts? Oh, the Irony…

 

Watching Eagles snow game… Eagles are just so dominant on the OL.

 

And on the DL.

 

That is the most impressive part. The Eagles are two-deep everywhere and can sustain pressure all game long. They draft and invest in their D-Line.

Jalen Carter is an absolute monster. I wish we had that kind of talent in the trenches.

 

Does Khan get credit for Herbig, Peyton Wilson, McCormick, Zach Frazier, DeShon Elliot, Beanie Bishop?

All of whom had a sizeable impact on the season

 

While it is true that the likes of Omar Khan, Andy Weidl and Mike Tomlin will all enter their third year together, remember that Tomlin has had more of a sample size to be shown. For that matter, 2018-2022 has just as much fingerprints on Tomlin as Kevin Colbert. Due to that, we can negate Andy Weidl from this discussion all together as he was not on the Steelers Staff from that aforementioned time period. Omar Khan though, was. However, Khan's role at that time was VP of Football & Business Administrations. That title is much different from the duties of a General Manager. Some of the tasks that Khan was to perform was as follows;

• Coordinates player contracts and salary cap management for the team
  
  
• Manages contract negotiations with players, agents, and other teams
  
  
• Works with coaches and scouts to analyze player performance statistics and trends
  
  
• Oversees the development of scouting reports and draft strategies
  
  
• Ensures compliance with league rules and regulations regarding player signings and transactions
  
  
• Maintains strong relationships with key team executives and external stakeholders
  
  
• Provides leadership and guidance to football operations staff
  
  
• Collaborates with legal and finance teams on contract and financial matters
  
  
• Represents the team at league meetings and events as required
  
  
• Communicates key updates and strategic plans to team owners, executives, and stakeholders.

Now, the two highlighted do account for scouting.... though somewhat. Yes, Omar's name has been on the scouting trail for some time now but he wasn't the one directly scouting players specifically. Overseeing and organizing the various scouting reports was something that was of greater concern regarding his job. As such, Khan does share some of the responsibility for what has happened with the Steelers though not nearly as much as Colbert or Tomlin. Now, if we are talking about 2023 onwards?! That is a much more fair question for Khan and Weidl. However, to answer that right now is inconclusive... for two reasons;


1.) The 2023 and 2024 Draft Classes need to be evaluated in 2026 and 2027 respectively. Evaluating them both a year earlier is too soon unless said classes had little to no impact; something that hasn't been the case thus far.


2.) All the moves that both Khan and Weidl are currently making are no more than amends for the failures of both whiffed draft classes and free agent signings from 2018-2022. Due to this, neither Khan nor Weidl can be held accountable for the state that the Roster was in beginning in the 2023 NFL Offseason.



If there are two people that can be held accountable for the Franchises lack of Playoff Success, it essentially boils down to AR II and Tomlin. AR II, as Captain of the ship, is held responsible for not holding the likes of Tomlin accountable for repeated failures since 2017. It is currently 2025 and, within two short years, will mark a decade of the team potentially not winning a single playoff game. AR II must also take accountability for Pittsburgh having one of the smallest Coaching Staffs in all of Football (more on this in a bit). While the old adage of Too many cooks in the kitchen will ruin the meal can be applied here, the fact that every playoff team since 2020 has had either a Passing Game, a Running Game Coordinator or both for the Offensive, Defensive or both staffs is very telling of how antiquated Pittsburgh's Philosophy is. However, solely blaming AR II for the lack of a bigger Coaching Staff is unfair. The one who decides how big the Coaching Staff is resides heavily with Tomlin.


So, in that case, much of the decisions have been done by Tomlin. Due to that fact, Tomlin is largely to blame for all of Pittsburgh's blunders since 2017. Colbert's draft's didn't help (he did have some hits) but he is no longer here. Omar and Andy have been doing well thus far though it is too soon to call. AR II is the captain of the ship but he isn't the one coaching the players nor he is the one responsible for selecting the Coaching Staff. However, AR II must step in and strip that ability away from Tomlin or allow the likes of Khan, Weidl and Sheldon White to advise on whom should be selected based on what the teams intentions are.


So, in short?! Tomlin's time is just about up anyhow. 2027 will be it for him for I don't foresee a scenario in which Tomlin gets extended again. As for Omar Khan and Andy Weidl being given enough time?! Table this discussion following the conclusion of the 2026 NFL Season.

 

Cowher is criminally underrated in the tactician area. He created the Slash position in 1995. He also adjusted the offense in 1995 when the Steelers started 3-4 and went 5 wide and the Steelers ended up winning the rest of their meaningful games in the regular season to go on to the Super Bowl and had his team with the ball, down 3, to win the Super Bowl.

Unfortunately he had horrible QBs the majority of his career and never really was able to use his full power in winning titles.

Had Cowher at a QB like Big Ben from the beginning, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have won at least 3 titles. We will never know.

 

Actually we do know

 

YOU don’t know ****, Sally.