who will be gone in 2025

For sure. It's funny, a list of his shortcomings reads like a checklist of those exhibited by Pickett and Fields: bails from clean pockets, quick to tuck and run/look for the check-down, poor anticipation (waits for receivers to come out of their breaks), doesn't trust smaller, NFL-sized throwing windows, etc.

At any rate, I was more trying to guess at possible targets the PTB might be considering than suggesting what I would do. Some early mocks have linked Milroe or Ewers to the Steelers in the second. I'm not a fan of either there.

 

I kinda disagree with that last part. I think he'd be fine as long as he is a part of a winning team and the money is there.

He acts like a 5 year old when we're losing for sure, but I don't think he isn't worth putting up with a little bit of BS. Guys like him are very hard to find (only a small handful in the league at any given time), so I would prefer we find a way to deal with the BS and make it work. I don't think there is a scenario where we let GP go and don't have the league's worst WR room in 2025. It is a hard task to build a WR room without a stud, and those guys are hard to acquire via trade/FA and not guaranteed even with a first round pick spent at the position. We gotta find a way to make it work.

 

Im really not so sure he wants to be here man. We are not magically going to have a stud QB next year and MTs idea of offense is from 1957. I don’t disagree that we will be in bad shape at WR but to me unless they make a playoff run he is gone. We need something for him clearly.

 

I don't think Fields issue was bailing from clean pockets, but rather what his ceiling is as a passer. Even Philly with Hurts has a low passing yards output for the season (less than ours)... We need to either commit to building an offense like Philly (utilizing Fields as if he were Hurts with designed runs etc.) or go find a QB that fits the offense we do want to run. I think drafting a QB is the wrong move this offseason. I don't know if McCarthy is available from Minnesota, but he is one option... another would be re-signing Fields and building the offense around his talents.

Philly is 28th in passing, but 8th in yards and 7th in points scored. You can have an effective offense with the type of QB Hurts/Fields are. You just have to be willing to build your offense in that manner. If we do, we need an explosive RB (my preference is Treyveon Henderson in the draft), continue to develop the OL, and have a true WR1 (which we currently do in Pickens) and a reasonably solid #2 (which we currently do not). It is possible, we just need someone in the OC position that has had past success running an offense like this. It seems like a more realistic option than drafting a QB afterthought in the draft or making a huge offseason move to acquire an established QB.

 

Any reasons for this aside from him acting like a child when he loses? I don't buy it. He'd act like that regardless of who he played for if they lose football games. It would be even worse if he played for a team that loses a lot more than it wins lol

I'm not sure what his value would be via trade. I don't think we can make a move if the value is less than an established #1 WR that a team doesn't want to pay, an established #1 CB or LT that is 27 years old or less, or a first round pick that is better than the one we currently own. I find it hard to imagine we would have suitors that make our situation better. I think it is almost better for us to keep him, franchise tag him, then let him walk than it is to trade him for less than what he is worth. It buys us the time to rebuild the room and not have to make panic decisions to just get rid of him.

 

Fautanu has abnormally long arms for his size. I always took those suggesting him to be a better option inside to be speaking more to his height, frame, and more athletic- over anchor- style of play.

I always saw him as a bit of a tweener, which isn't to say i don't think he'll make it as a tackle, I just wasn't as thrilled as some with the pick. Pulling for him to turn out though.

 

Based on the Bengals game his head is no longer where it needs to be. Saturday will be very telling. As will the offseason when his camp starts having him hold out….

 

I mean he was a menace at Washington. I'd imagine he will be just fine in the pros assuming he stays healthy. It is a shame he was injured but in the limited time he was available, he did make a good impression.


Chris Hubbard was 6'3 or so and turned out pretty damn well.

 

Did his arms get longer

 

No.


The concerns about his length stemmed from what appeared to be short arms based on his frequency to lunge at opponents during pass sets. This often occurred during the beginning of the play where Fautanu would make first contact. Sometimes he didn't lunge to initiate contact but other times he did; often leaving him open for counter moves. This also showed up during run plays; namely hitting something called "landmarks".



For a quick overview, a landmark is a blocking term based on where the Offensive Lineman's aiming point for his headgear to then use specific blocking techniques against the defender. For Troy, there are three landmarks that are noticeable; Play side armpit of defender, the Inside hand to far armpit and the Inside hand on far number. To make a long story short, Troy had just as many ups as he did downs when performing all three.


Overall?! Troy Fautanu's lack of consistency of technique is what spurred on the lack of length. Granted, not every short Offensive Tackle will have the same grace as Troy does for there are always exceptions to every rule. That said, considering that Troy is the exception, I don't believe any of us will have anything to worry about so long as he stays healthy.

 

Though improved, I still saw Fields as quick to tuck the ball and run at times this year. That isn't a necessarily bad thing for him, since he has the speed to do damage with his legs and will occasionally throw on the run (I still lament that 60-yard dot he threw to Pickens on the fly that was called back for a Jones holding penalty early on). But like you say, they then need to contour the offense around his skill set, and I'm not sure they're ready (or able) to do that.

 

You don't have to convince me; I'm just relaying the thoughts of some of the analysts. Personally, I was hoping Mims (or the outside chance of Latham) would fall, or else that they'd look to corner, center, or even WR if Thomas, Jr. was available (which he wasn't).

As it is, Frazier looks good as the center (and fell to them in the second, against what I thought would happen), McCormick has held his own at RG, and Fautanu received some good word of mouth early. The only other prime pick I think they could've made at 1.20 was corner.

While you can never have enough corners in today's league, I still believe in building solid trenches. So I'm pulling for Fautanu to keep building on the limited work he saw before the injury.

 

Starting with Scotty Miller.

 

Yeah more player shuffling to try to get Tomlin the players he needs. We’ve been trying to get that done for 14 years now.

 

Regarding the general consensus?! Gotcha. Thought you were talking from your own perspective. Contrary to popular belief, I also was a major fan of Quinyon Mitchell coming out of Toledo.


For me though, the biggest question was that would Omar Khan buck a trend that Pittsburgh didn't do in over a generation; select a non FBS Player in Round One?! Sadly that wasn't the case. That said though, who saw not just Quinyon Mitchell but also Troy Fautanu falling that far?!


I sure as hell didn't. For that matter, it wouldn't have shocked me if Quinyon went as high as Top 8. It did floor me though when Chicago selected Rome Odunze over Troy Fautanu though; hindsight or not.


Having Caleb Williams get his ass kicked 68 times over isn't exactly a good recipe for success.

 

Hurts is better than Fields. He is a better runner and passer. They don't have a ton of yards because they don't need to throw all that much with the league's best running attack.

 

Yeah that one was a killer. What a great throw that was (and it was a pretty tight call on the Jones hold too IIRC). As for the tuck and run thing, I think that is always going to be his tendency. He will go first check, second, then if the pocket is collapsing at all he will likely bail. I did think he did a good job keeping his eyes downfield when escaping wide though. However, he is such a menace with his legs that once he starts moving up in the pocket... he might as well take off.

We shall see if we want to build around him or not. I don't think we're necessarily that far off. We need a RB that can do it all though (run, block, catch, and be a massive threat in space). I think that alone should help clean the box up a bit and keep us from having to face 8 man fronts. If we keep GP around, then were probably just a good WR2 away from being where we need to be from a personnel perspective. Smith is actually a decent OC for that offense, though if we wanted to hire in that regard Greg Roman would make a lot of sense.

Its all speculation until we make a decision at QB anyways.

 

IF Steelers resign Moore the entire org should have take a urine test....
Tomlin may love him, but tape dint lie
He can't play RT n done fools w pay him a ton

He gone

Robert's should be back

I'm more hoping coaches Will be gone -

Art tells Mike to hire an actual qualified DC N GTF out of his way

if Smith is here again, same deal let HIM run the off n set up the game plans n pass on crappy Def like Bengals n THROW over middle

Pat Meyer is terrible, you're a $$ Billion business, you can eat a cpll mil IF you are serious about winning

Otherwise Ground Day again. IMO

 

I think Ewers is staying in college, rumor has him transferring to Notre Dame. If we take a rookie QB I'd much rather have Jaxon Dart than Milroe.

 

I wouldn’t mind seeing them line fields up in the backfield. Give him the ball on that toss they love so much, tell him to throw if his first read is open and just tuck it and run if it isn’t. He is a much more dangerous runner in space than Najee or Patterson.

 

He is the best runner on the team, there is no excuse that he just sits on the bench and never gets in the game.

 

And yet, as the best runner on the team, they put him in one type of play only - take the snap, hesitate to let the gap open, and take off. The opposing D can key on him easily because they know with 90% certainty what he's going to do. Only his speed and elusiveness make anything he does in that package a success.

We need to expand the Fields package. Put him in some different looks. And FFS, keep Wilson in at the same time. That lowers that 90% certainty to about 40% or less. Make them account for both Wilson and Fields. Put him in motion. Put him in a Wildcat. Anything is better than the remedial looks we give now.