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The Coaching has been more than good enough

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelresolve, Nov 24, 2024.

  1. Steelresolve

    Steelresolve Well-Known Member

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    The coaching this year with the exception of the Indy and Dallas games has more than fine. Were certainly not perfect and there are always some head scratchers. Outside of clock management and penalty challenges the game plans have been good enough.

    The issue has been execution.

    We have had alot of Milk Carton Guys and ones you would not expect.

    Keanu Benton - What is going on with him? Did he lose to much weight and strength and that is impacting his game? Have teams caught onto his swim move and he hasn’t developed another moves? What about his run stoppage?

    Minkah Fitzpatrick - Yeah I know with him playing deep center field it is hard for him to be around the ball alot or in position to make plays when teams are avoiding him, but when he does have chances to make plays he is taking bad angles (Commanders game against Mcluarin) or missing tackles or just late to the ball (Cleveland Jerry Jeudy 4th quarter).

    TJ Watt - Yes he is getting double teamed alot and chipped but I see him getting single blocked and being taken out of plays on single blocks as well. He just doesn’t seem to be as dominant this year as we has been over the course of his career.

    Isaac Seaumalu - He has been up and down. He makes some good plays then he gets absolutely blown up on plays. He has really been hurting us of late in the run game. He is supposed to be the Alpha Male on the line and lead the youngsters.

    Pat Frieirmuth - He is a great receiver and we don’t use him enough in that area but his blocking is downright terrible. He is a liability especially in those outside zone runs. I have seen him get blown back multiple times even by defensive backs. I don’t understand how that happens. Its not like Frieirmuth is standing still and they have a running start him.

    Broderick Jones - What’s there to say. Penalties, missed blocks and at times it appears he is uninterested.

    * We are getting beat at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. We're gonna have are hands full against KC, Philly and Baltimore again if we can’t get this rectified.

    I don’t know if the short yardage passing over the middle will ever be fixable with Russ. That isn’t his strong suit. I don’t know what the fix is for the run game. If guys are just getting beat on blocks and out manned I am not sure what the antidote to that is.
     
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  2. JAD

    JAD Well-Known Member

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    You can blame all of our 3 losses to bad coaching by not blitzing more when we couldn't get pressure from our 4 rushers. We let all three QB who we lost to Flacco, Prescott and Winsten have all the time to throw with no pressure and we lay back into soft zone and Minkah out of the picture.
     
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  3. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Tomlins clock management and use of timeouts at the end of the first qtr against the Browns is something I wouldn’t even expect a middle school football coach to make. Plenty of blame to go around for this team including the coaching. Glad we are only at 3 losses but they could have won 2 out of 3 of them easily with slightly better coaching. Once Flacco came on the field for Indy I knew we were in trouble. He just has our number. He could be a back up for 5 more years and whichever team he plays for should consider starting him when facing us. LOL.
     
  4. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    the coaching?

    We played INDY thinking it was a BYE week. We just lost to the BROWNS - much on BAD COACHING. and in Prime Time, we SHAT the bed, vs. a SUCK Cowbirls team, missing both starting OLB's b/c Smith and Tomlin could not figure out how to exploit that on offense.

    We will see how this coaching is when the season is OVER. To grade NOW is juvenile but that is what many do - they want to hand out trophies mid season. Tomlin could be entering one of his late season SWOONS.

    Let's revisit this in January.

    our schedule has been VERY FAVORABLE. We got ATL at the right now. Play them today and 6 FG's would not win it. We slipped by barely the Washington Team and played patty cake with the Ravens.
     
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  5. Steelresolve

    Steelresolve Well-Known Member

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    Take some time and watch this. I think you will change your mind. Sure there was some coaching to blame ... there always is, but the execution in this game was horrible. Seamualu and Moore really hurt us.

     
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  6. steel_ben7

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    It wasn’t good enough in the Browns game where you absolutely had to win that game to put yourself in solid position moving forward to win the division. The clock management and timeout usage by Tomlin was just flat out inexcusable for a guy that has been coaching in the league for almost 20 seasons, and the play calling at critical moments by the offense was flat out atrocious and gave them no chance to win the game. This defense as well while they have been good they gotta be better late in games at critical moments. Just way too many big plays were allowed the other night in the snow that just can’t happen when you are playing a team like the Browns. You gotta finish the game and at times this defense has trouble doing that consistently.
     
  7. Formerscribe

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    There are issues with execution, too, but the coaching was also a big part of the three losses. Tomlin seemed to be flailing with the Fields package and all the odd fourth-down decisions Thursday night. The defense is still far too simple and passive. Rushing four from the same positions all the time just isn't working consistently enough. One of the few times they got aggressive Thursday night was Queen's blitz that forced what should have been intentional grounding. They needed to do more of that.
     
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  8. Michael E

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    Disagree about coaching being good enough...we have Tomlin, that certainly squashes that theory. There are personnel issues for sure.

    Broderick Jones is a train wreck, so far, huge bust of a pick. We do have Fatuanu coming back and hopefully taknig full control of one of the tackle spots, but we might have to dip into the second round of draft next year for an OT, sadly.

    IT's obvious George Pickens is not THE guy. Too much baggage. I kind of hope they find a way to trade him and go WR in first round next year and again maybe in round 4 or 5. Need to revamp the WR room. Roman Wilson might come of age next year, but we need a top WR1 high upside prospect.
     
  9. ljkjr74

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    Did it ever occur to everyone on this board that what we are saying about some of our best players that they feel the same way we feel about the play calling, Tomlin with his clock management, the confusion in who is the QB this week. Hell it is wearing on us as fans, can you imagine working under those conditions in your own job situation. It would be a pain in the butt.
     
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  10. bradshaw12

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    I haven't seen every team play, but I can't imagine any of them being more vanilla and boring on both sides of the ball than the Steelers.
     
  11. Steelvision

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    Im bothered that Austin and Tomlin couldn't dial up more pressure on Jameis freakin Winston and that 2nd to 3rd string line. Specially when we have all that talent on defense. Its games like last Thursday that make me think Tomlin and his staff (Austin mostly) are overrated.
     
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  12. OX1947

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    Tomlin is the worst coach I’ve ever seen in managing timeouts. He is really bad.
     
  13. bleednblackngold

    bleednblackngold Well-Known Member

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    Tomlin is historically bad on Thursday nights, but very good coming off Thursday nights at 11-4. Hopefully that holds for Sunday.
     
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  14. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    On the whole coaching vs. execution thing: Are there people who really believe that the coaching staff has no impact on execution? That the coaches just dial up the X’s and O’s and have no role beyond that? Is Meyer saying “wow, Semualu is playing like ass, but I’m just a coach so there’s nothing I can do about it?”

    Yes, players execute on the field, but NFL coaches don’t just draw up and install game plans. They’re also responsible for development (and redevelopment) of the players, and that’s not just rookies. When we dump a crappy product on the field it’s not just because the players didn’t execute, it’s also because the coaches were ineffective at addressing fundamental issues with technique and effort in preparation for game day.

    That said, even with the steaming pile of :poopy: that our O line and other position groupings left on the field Thursday night, it could have still been overcome with a few in-game coaching decisions. Sad performance across the board.

    * And just to add something so that this isn’t misconstrued as a one-way statement: Coaching also played a heavy role in frustrating and frazzling LJ last week. Not just X’s and O’s, but also execution on the field through preparation and inspiration.
     
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  15. Born2Steel

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    I don't disagree with what you say here.

    I will just add that on 'gameday' it comes down to 99% player execution. There are so many moving parts on any one play that we can never break down each and every nuance. Hand placement, footwork, motions, getting off the line, separation and by how much, there is too much to list. Was the OT's pre-snap stance too wide/too narrow and the End exploited it with his pass rush route? Once the game is in play on the field, there really is no coaching at that point. Play calls, protections, blitzes, other in-game coaching decisions like a DB goes out so let's throw at his backup.

    I guess I don't believe that gameday coaching has any effect on player execution, other than tendencies and assignments. Players win or lose games.
     
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  16. mikeyg

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    they execute badly IN PART due to BAD COACHING. they are not prepped well, NOT COACHED well. that is my opinion. when my TEAM at work fails, i take some responsibility (not all, but some) and if they continue to fail, I may get FIRED

    I have said this ~5 times now - one of Queen's best attributes is rushing the QB.
     
  17. Born2Steel

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    This is true for you at work. NOW, imagine there are other rival workers trying to prevent your TEAM from doing their individual jobs.
     
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  18. mikeyg

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    YES - there SEEMS to be! it cracks me up!

    that is why there is a history of GREAT COACHES in the game (head and positional) .....and then those that no one ever talks about.
     
  19. mikeyg

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    LOL - they are , they are called my COMPETITORS!!! I don't work for the Federal Gov't!!!

    ;)
     
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  20. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Good preparation and development can minimize gameday failures.
     
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    I like this
     
  22. Born2Steel

    Born2Steel Well-Known Member

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    Your competitors effect how your team does their individual jobs? That's some serious competition.
     
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  23. Born2Steel

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    True. And theoretically, every player goes 100% each and every snap.

    Myles Garrett is a much hated player by Steelers' fans. Thursday Night, he beat our guys consistently. Up and down the OL. We were prepped for him. We have seen teams that prep for TJ and it just doesn't matter. Development does not happen on gameday. Preparation happens before gameday. On gameday, execution is 99% all that's left.

    I absolutely loved watching the Pickens/Delpit battle in that game. Delpit is very good. Pickens is very good. Iron sharpens iron and all that. I think this team took an absolute whooping Thursday. We will see them again and hopefully this team will be more prepared knowing what they have to do to beat the Browns. That preparation happens on the field.

    Prepare and execute.
     
  24. S.T.D

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    Exactly. Now explain how when the HC of our team has less days for this....like on Thursday nights...we have a high % of losses, and when He has more time....like Sunday night, Monday night, and off a bye....we almost never lose???
    This is why I asked this question before. Because it flies in the face of people that say they aren't coaching well.
    Not You, but people can't say.....He , and the staff don't do Xs, and Os well, they don't coach well, and they don't scheme well, and then in the same sentence say.....they lose most of their games when they have less time to coach, but win most of the games when they have more time to coach. The two don't mix, or even make sense.
     
  25. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Was I hallucinating when I saw that the Browns ALSO had a short week of preparation?
     
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