Why wasnt that called intentional grounding?

When I watched the game live, I was screaming that he never left the tackle box. This had to be intentional grounding. Then I saw the flag and was relieved.....then the officials huddled and I knew we were getting the shaft. Even if it was illegal touching, it is also intentional grounding, there should have been 2 flags, both on the offense. Then Tomlin accepts the penalty essentially giving them the play over again which basically gave them 2 more chances to beat us....and they did. Someone please explain this BS missed call and this BS accepting of the penalty.

 

I have no idea why it wasn't intentional grounding. Just because it hit one of his lineman doesn't matter, there wasn't an eligible receiver anywhere near the area.

 

I felt if we get that call our chances of winning increase tremendously. I’m hoping someone here can shed some light on this because that play was the very definition of grounding. Not to mention it should’ve been 2 flags for grounding and illegal touching.

You all but can’t tackle a QB without a flag being thrown and now they can just throw the ball into the dirt while inside the hash-marks to avoid a sack.

 

I felt it should be intentional grounding. The only thing I will ad is I think they didn't call intentional grounding because his arm was hit. Which I believe is a weak argument because that pass wouldn't have been anywhere near an eligible receiver if his arm doesn't get hit.

 

Seemed like a blown call to me. Maybe they threw the flag for grounding and New York overruled it? Or maybe they thought Queen’s hit altered the throw? I don’t know, but everyone in the bar where I watched was screaming “that’s grounding!”

 

I'd need to see it again, but fairly certain it was obvious he was grounding it and it wasn't the hit.

 

I understand what you’re saying, but I’ve seen intentional grounding called when the QB was being hit. In fact, that’s often when it occurs, as the QB waits til the last second to get rid of the ball.

I thought I heard them say last night that grounding was negated by the illegal touching. If that’s the case, the rule needs to be changed, because that’s ridiculous.

 

Apparently their is a loophole in the grounding rule. When a QB who is under a ton of pressure and has to get rid of the football…they can simply pass to one of their 5 offensive linemen and only lose 5 yards (along with replaying the down)

Also the rule states that a QB cannot be called for grounding if a defender hits him and alters the trajectory of his pass, which would make it look like a pass wasn’t targeting a receiver. However, Winston was backpedaling trying to avoid Queen which means grounding should have been the call.

 

I have seen the exact same scenario in other games and about 70% of the time it’s grounding

 

I heard that one of the lineman had reported as eligible, so that plus the ball slipping as he was throwing it, plus the hit negated the call of intentional grounding.

That being said - the defense just had to stop a 4th and 4 and they win the game.

 

It's because his should was touched before he threw.

It's one that's really up to a ref to decide 5 yards or intentional grounding.

 

Seems like they applied some provision to the rule where its not intentional grounding if the defender affects the trajectory of the ball.

stupid interpretation an anal type person makes. It was intentional grounding. Steelers got screwed. You could say we were cheated out of a win or we shouldve never let the game be decided on a freak play like that. Should almost expect calls to go against the visting team like that. Unfortunate.

This loss stings for some reason. More than the other two.

 

I took another look at it today and I am even more convinced that it was a terrible no-call. The hit did not affect his throw enough to say this isn't grounding. The Browns should have had fourth-and-15 at the 38 with under 1:50 remaining and only two time-outs.

 

Being hit while in the process of throwing and actually having your arm physically hit to change the throwing motion and trajectory of the ball are too different things. You can’t legislate games based on what you think a players intent is going to be, that is absolutely ridiculous. Bottom line is the QB was in the box and the ball didn’t make it to the line of scrimmage and there was no receiver in the vicinity of where the ball landed. Unless they reported an lineman receiver eligible which I highly doubt they did. How come we always get screwed out of these terrible referee calls. Its like the Jesse James TD that wasn’t against the patriots. In addition the refs missed an obvious pass interference call where the DB body checked Pickens out of bounds on the sideline route and literally impeded his forward motion in getting to the ball. There is hand fighting and then there is that. The previous game the officials called JPJ for sticking his arm out in front a receiver on the sidelines (he didn’t impede forward progress) and it was flagged. This one by the Browns was much more egregious.

 

Everybody loves playing the victim card. The reality is there are missed calls on both teams in every single game. Pickens blatantly pushed off the defender for one of his catches. It wasn't called. I'm sure Browns fans were screaming in disgust. Missed calls are part of the game every single week. Championship caliber teams overcome them and win games.

 

Or championship caliber teams get favored by the refs. The difference between a 3-8 team verse an 8-3 team is often a couple of plays a game. I get what you were trying to say but those were egregiously missed calls at big moments in the game actually altering the outcome of the game.

 

There were far more bad calls in the Browns favor Thursday night. Also, the officiating crew they had for that game favors home teams. They have the largest disparity of penalties against road teams as compared to home teams in the league. Just off the top of my head, here is a quick list of the blown calls.

• The defender doesn't just stop in Pickens' path on the deep ball right before halftime, he reaches his left arm out to impede the receiver's progress to the ball. Easy interference that cost the Steelers a makeable field goal attempt.
• Blatant hold of Herbig allowed Winston to escape a sack and scramble for a touchdown on fourth down. Benton was also held on the play, which was the other reason Winston escaped.
• A defender grabbed a handful of jersey on Parterson on the failed two-point conversion.
• The missed grounding call that should have left the Browns with fourth-and-15 at the Steelers 38 with about 1:50 remaining in the game. There is no way the try a 50-plus field goal there. Sure, maybe Winston pulls off another great play and they convert a fourth-and-15, but that isn't likely. The Browns had two time-outs remaining, so they probably get the ball back, but without much time remaining and hopefully after a better punt.
• Njoku picked Porter to get Jeudy open on that fourth-and-four.
• Jeudy was never touched on the big third-down conversion. Bishop was right to knock the ball loose. The Steelers should have had a shot at recovering a game-clinching fumble there. To make matters worse, they penalized Bishop for delay of game.

Yes, Pickens got away with pushing off once, but it doesn't come close to that list and I'm probably forgetting a few.

 

Agreed, but how many times have We seen a Qb as they are taken to the ground, or swung around throw it down, and they call it intentional grounding....even though their throw is impede??

 

Your 2nd one, and the 4th one, are the ones that were driving me crazy inside during the game.

 

I didn't get a good look at the holds on Winston's touchdown when I watched it life, but those were brutal no-calls. Herbig was flying at Winston. No way he escapes without that hold. The hold on Benton wasn't as easy to see, but it was right in front of the quarterback and it wasn't in a crowd. I don't think Winston escapes without it.

 

Pickens did not extend his arms on the play. It was not a push off

 

none of this matters---- our extremely overpaid def.Should have made the stops necessary to win the game. Penalties happen and don't happen.You must adjust adapt and overcome everything or you will lose and complain about flags or no flags.Winners overcome losers are the ----Pirates.