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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by S.T.D, Nov 18, 2024 at 2:03 PM.

  1. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    So

    It’s equally based on 11 drives

    Statistically Fields scores more points and more touchdowns in that condition

    I’m not suggesting I want to play musical quarterbacks

    But with Wilson the red zone play is not good
     
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  2. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    They were a contender in the 2017 to 2020 and they had a top 5 offense in each of those years....Yes,no one have won the super bowl because very rare a team use that but it don't change that Hill was great in his role in those years....The saints were also unlucky in 2017 and 2018 in the playoffs.2 Brutal playoffs losses because of a miracle for the vikings in 2017 and a brutal non call in 2018 vs rams....Nothing to do with Hill :roflmao:
     
  3. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    So what happens to this % if both td passes that Wilson threw in the redzone against Giants weren't called back...one because Jones held, and the other because Pickens hopped on one foot 20 times......, or with the next two games ...which will put them on equal games played.....if Wilson scores a few more times.
    I don't care if it's Fields playing as the starter....I don't want Wilson coming in for just certain plays. It doesn't work long term..., and it starts causing tightness, and undo pressure on both Qbs to score ....even when there is nothing there. This is real life not Madden
     
  4. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    So you wrote all that to say.....No they won no SB using it, but they did win a SB not using it. :roflmao:
     
  5. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Fields had some bad luck too in this situation
     
  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    So statistically what everyone is leaving out is...one took 6 games for 11 drives, and the other 4. I don't know why this is not being seen.
     
  7. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Do you think the saints would won a super bowl without using their gadget player in Hill?

    Kordell was very good for us in 1995 as gadget player....Our offense had make a massive jump in that year,big reason why they make the super bowl since the defense were average for most of the year without the great Rod Woodson
     
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  8. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    No he didn't He had bad luck on long ball throws that were called back. Not redzone.
     
  9. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    I remember the broncos game at the end of the first half.....
     
  10. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    It is being seen

    It’s just irrelevant to the statistic posted

    Now if you want to make a different conversation out of that go for it
     
  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Hill wasn't on the team when they won the Sb.
    What changed for the Steelers that year is we started going 4, and 5 wide, ans Kordell was used many times with the Qb still on the field.
    I already said I was fine with that.
     
  12. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    It's very relevant....because it then shows that if You play the same amount of games....Wilson will put his team in the redzone more times....therefore....let them both play the same amount of games , and come tell me the %.
    7 tds in 4 games by Wilson, and 10 in six games by Fields should show this.
     
  13. Robert

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    The biggest reason that I'm not a big fan of it is that it's telegraphing what you're going to do. Put fields in, and the expectations going to be that fields is going to run. That might open up the pass, but it's almost certainly going to shut down the run.
     
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  14. jeh1856

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    That’s nice but that’s not what the statistic was pointing out
     
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  15. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Again,I just want Fields in situation football....Not at full time.If Fields is in at some situation football,it would make the team even better
     
  16. MeanJoeBlue

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    This is way too complicated.

    For the Browns game, just have the team up 27-3 after three quarters.
    Then keep Fields in for the last quarter, instead of subbing him in and out.

    Much simpler scheme.
     
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  17. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    And not looking at the full picture of how You achieve that stat is very misleading. You, and anyone actually thinking about this knows its true.
    If it takes one 6 games to get 11 red zone trips, and the other 4 games.....then just pulling out the 11 trips , and using it to make some point is very misleading.
     
  18. S.T.D

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    But it won't, and nobody that has ever done this can show proof real success using it. Because it's human nature for both Qbs to now press in the redzone...even when something is not there. You heard of looking over your shoulder....for the other guy to take Your place.....well multiple that.....because once it's started....both Qb will feel it. This is why no SB winner has ever incorporated this.
     
  19. jeh1856

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    I wasn’t mislead

    It was just a statistic and I understood it

    No more no less
     
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  20. S.T.D

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    No you can't see beyond it, but that's OK. Not a lot of people can.....so when they see a % they stop, and don't see how they were come about,,but again not many do.
    I mean....I wreaked 2 cars in 50 years of driving, but my friend wreaked 2 cars in 3 years of driving. A simpler thought process will see 2 cars, and say....well that's the same.....someone else with a little more thought will see that its totally different, but again....it's cool. :thumbs_up:
     
  21. jeh1856

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    Great googly moogly

    Now you are suggesting you know more about what I’m thinking than I do

    :facepalm:
     
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  22. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Is this everyone's comeback lately. Did people just read this in a book???
    Let's not try acting so hurt.....You do this to people all the time, or shall I point it out??? So let's not cry about it., or is it only OK for You to Push buttons????
     
  23. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Huh

    I’m happy as can be
     
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  24. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Don't take me wrongly old boy. You know I like You. I was only trying to give tic for tack. :thumbs_up: I don't try to be mean spirited. Sometimes my words don't convey what I truly mean.
     
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  25. Mashburn

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    1. There's not a lot of teams who are in the position like us.
    2. I dont think so, you go off what stats are fit td, fg, nothing within the redzone. And that's what needs to be beaten.
    3. No point putting both on the field. Fields could not block.
     

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