Werner

He could very well drop into the teens if Ansah and Jordan fly up the boards. He can play OLB in a 3-4, IMO. I'd have no problem selecting him at #17.

 

I watched a couple of complete FSU games from this past season, and didn't see a single play where Werner wasn't in a 3 point stance. Even Ansah had some plays where he dropped into coverage. Can he do it? I'm not sure, but when I watch him play I can't help thinking that he is a pure DE. In fact, I think that if he fits in a 3-4, it would be as a 3-4 DE after gaining 20-30 lbs.

 

When I watch tape of Werner, I see a little bit of Kevin Green in him. If he can attack the L.O.S and create pressure, I'll take deficiencies in his pass coverage skills.

 

I doubt Werner gets out of the top 10. Too complete.

Now if guys like Ansah & Jordan do move up the boards, the real casualty could be Damontre Moore. Am I going to let a bad combine change my opinion of Moore? Not for a second. He is a legitimate top 10 talent and we could only be so fortunate to have him drop down to us at #17.

I will be keeping my eye on Moore on Draft day if he does begin to slide.

 

I still haven't watched a bunch of Moore's games yet to form a solid opinion, but if he is as good on "tape" as many are making him out to be, then I agree. When you're drafting late, you love when a guy's stock drops for a poor combine performance. His stats scream out "monster." Never mind the 21 TFLs and 12.5 sacks, he had 85 total tackles this past season. That's a huge number for a DE. Werner had 42. Even Alex Okafor, whose strength is run defense, was in the 60's.

 

C'mon mac you're making it sound like rocket science. You draft talent and then scheme to either cover-up weaknesses or utilize strengths.

 

I understand how the bad reps and 40 time are going to affect him. He very well could drop - I am hoping for it. Bad bench and 40 numbers are aside, he was top 5 in Broad and Vertical jumps. This means he is explosive. I think he is certainly stronger than the 12 reps shown, but even if he isn't, when he gets into an NFL training program, those numbers will improve.

"DaMonster" is a gamer. His tape tells the story and he is one guy I'm not going to let a couple of bad combine numbers change my mind. His experience at 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE is just the type of twiner we need. His tackle and TFL numbers as a DE this year are incredible.

 

I agree with you mac.. But it's hard to quantify just which player's will be capable.

 

We just disagree on Ansah. One year of college ball and never given a specific position leads to mistakes. He played interior line alot at BYU because he was the best they had everywhere on the D-line. With a set position and the proper coaching he's going to be a force, IMO.

 

I agree on Ansah. One other thing to consider - he's already 270+. Guys rarely come into the NFL and get lighter than their college playing weights, so he's almost certainly going to be at least 270, and probably start to creep into the 280 range, over the next few years. That's a perfect size for a left DE in a 4-3. While he has the athleticism to do a lot, I think his potential is maximized with his hand in the dirt. I am more leery of Okafor as a 3-4 OLB than you are. I don't see a coverage guy at all. I see him as a left DE in a 4-3 as well - probably better day 1 than Ansah, but with more limited long term upside.

 

I had time to quickly watch one D-Moore game early Sat AM, so I picked the Florida game because it was his biggest stat game - 3 sacks. Honestly, I was not blown away. Two of his sacks were pure coverage sacks and on the other one I think the QB escaped the pocket in his direction and made it easier on him. He didn't exactly blow up Florida's left tackle, and was taken out of a number of plays. I do like his motor though, and one could argue that his persistence was a key to the coverage sacks. I have a lot more to watch, but I didn't see the dominance that you expect to see in a 3 sack game. He was OK against the run in that game, and did make a few nice stops near the line, so that's a plus.