IF 2013 is record is worse....

The problem with your argument is that you're trying to argue with logic, facts, and sense.

 

U mad bro?

Who's bashing? The only one I ever bash is Wallace.

The 'friggin old' comment is bull****. http://www.steelers.com/team/roster.html

 

Ouch,Ouch,Ouch,Ouch,Ouch,Ouch...

 

We're old, dude. It is what it is.

I don't care if we've got a roster full of toddlers riding the bench. Our core players on defense are Polamalu, Harrison, Hampton, Keisel, and Ike. Add Larry Foote and Ryan Clark to that. That's most of our defense. The problem isn't just that they are old, it's that they are old superstars. They aren't what they used to be. And we just had two superstars retire (you don't retire 'young' -- they were OLD). The only youngins on D are Timmons, Woodley, Hood/Heyward, and Keenan Lewis (if we retain him). The "we're not old" argument ended three years ago.

Our franchise quarterback is going into his tenth season. That's not "young". Our all-world tight end is going into his ninth. Who is young? Our unproven receivers and running backs? All of a sudden Antonio Brown isn't quite the $42million stud we thought he was, Sanders had a mediocre year, Dwyer and Redman didn't show us anything special and Wallace and Mendenhall are likely gone.

At least our o-line is getting younger.

For someone to call BS on a "we're old" comment is BS.

We are ABSOLUTELY going through a transition right now. It's like 1984. Bradshaw, Swann, Mean Joe, Ham, Franco, Blount . . . gone. All at about the same time. Stallworth is fading. Lambert is hurt. How we draft, retain, acquire, and reload is going to determine whether or not we're gonna look like the '80s or the '90s. Here's hoping for a repeat of the 70s.

 

yea dick your right. so after 5 years where are MT's stud players to take over.

he won with cowhers players and now that there old, we are getting rid of tomlins draftee's instead of these washed up superstars.

who exactly has tomlin putforth to take the reigns? a mediocre sanders as you say? a not so studly antonio brown? dwyer? redman? lewis who's on and done because we can't afford him? heyward? he can't see the field. ziggy? he's been setting the world on fire. worilds? can he even take over well enough that we don't have to draft someone else? curtis brown? is he still on the team? mendy? all yea, he's the last part of a whole draft to be sent packing.

where's tomlins team? we spotted him a stud defense and a franchise qb, why has there been so little added if he's doing such a stellar job? why is this team in this shape after 5 years? most coaches don't get 5 years to build a team. let alone given so much to start with. all he's done is played out what was here with little to show for his own building for the future. you just proved a point dick, thanks.

 

So you're saying it's Tomlin's responsibility to put together a roster? Hmm . . . I thought we had a GM. My bad.

In spite of the fact that we don't have a GM and the responsibility of re-loading a quickly depleted roster (faster than anyone can reasonably assume that we replace the retiring starpower) is solely on our head coach/GM/head scout/masoct, Mike Tomlin . . . I'd say he's done a pretty solid job in six years. I mean, we HAVE added some solid talent during that time, have we not:

*Franchise players: LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons, Mike Wallace, Maurkice Pouncey, Antonio Brown
*Role Players: William Gay, Ryan Mundy, Ziggy Hood, Keenan Lewis, Jason Worilds, Emmanuel Sanders, Jonathan Dwyer, Cameron Heyward, Marcus Gilbert, Cortez Allen
*David DeCastro, Mike Adams

By my count, in six years, we've got five bona fide starters and over a dozen solid contributors. How many Pro Bowl-caliber players should we be drafting each year?

I guess Tomlin should stand on a podium and apologize for not replicating the 1974 draft class every year? Man, this organization is spoiled!!

Yeah, he may have inherited some stars, but he also inherited the worst o-line in football and an aging d-line and we've had to address that in the past three drafts. Not exactly glamour picks.

And does anybody else realize that maybe, just maaaaaaaybe the reason we don't have more studs is BECAUSE we've had so many superstars on the roster? Are Cris Carter and Jason Worilds supposed to start over Harrison and Woodley? Keenan Lewis and Cortez Allen supposed to unseat Ike Taylor? Was Mundy supposed to make us forget about Polamalu or cut Ryan Clark? Were Heyward and Hood supposed to just come in and knock out the greatest 3-4 DE in league history or Pro Bowler Bret Keisel? It's kind of hard for these guys to shine when they've all got Pro Bowlers ahead of them.

We've been pretty much drafting for DEPTH the past six years. That's what the Hood and Heyward picks were, were they not?

But, somehow, we expect Tomlin's draft class to simultaneously shine as our Pro Bowlers do their thing? How about giving it some time? We've still got old guys like Harrison, Polamalu, Hampton, Keisel, etc, taking up roster spots preventing these draft picks from seeing the field.

And, we have a front office (I guess this is Tomlin too) that doesn't bring in any marquee free agents to help the cause because with all of this talent that Tomlin so fortunately inherited, he also inherited some major salary cap challenges. I guess Khan can hide behind Tomlin on this one? Borrowing from the future (Tomlin) to pay for the present (Cowher era).

We want Tomlin to produce instant success and, when he doesn't, forty-five threads on 'Fire Tomlin!' The ironic thing is . . . HE HAS PRODUCED INSTANT SUCCESS!!!!! He won a damn Super Bowl and took us to another in only six years. And nobody wants to give him credit. He takes the blame for the GM's job, the offensive coordinator's job, Art Rooney II's job, and everybody else.

Glad I could help you prove your point though, Daddyo

 

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you're saying and I think there is a lot of 'gray area' in the term "elite." I wouldn't argue with someone who called him elite but people suggesting he should be canned, at this point, are dlpshlts. He's been here for six years and . . . I don't need to repeat his accolades. We all know what he has accomplished. People that attribute his success to anybody other than him are crazy. The same people that ran Arians off and have gone absolutely friggin' MUTE about HIS success since then offering little more than a, "well, er, ah . . . well . . . well, he sucked here!" No. No, he didn't.

It's too early to see what kind of a coach Tomlin is GOING TO BE. To say that he IS not a good coach is flat ignorant in the face of what he's accomplished at this point.

 

You got to admit thou, that Tomlin made some bad decisions last year, ie keeping Leftwhich in when he was hurt, continually trying to run up the middle, very undisciplined team, divided locker room, the way he treated the running backs when they fumbled, his constant stupid standard answers during press conferences, the over team not in the best shape, does not make good game adjustments.

The more I think about it, that's not a great coach and that's not even a good coach!

 

Being that backups get almost zero reps after training camp I've got no problems with Tomlin"d decision to leave Lefty in the game. Besides if ST hadn't given up a td we would have won making your point moot. Why are you blaming Tomlin for Haley's play calling? Use of the running backs yet once again that's Haley.
I love how message board theories take on a life of their own and start getting thrown about as fact.
What the @#@# do you want Tomlin to say in his press conferences? Would it make you happy if he said "we suck"?

 

Thanks for telling it like it is Mac. My thoughts exactly.

 

You do realize that Tomlin doesn't draft the players, right?

 

He has significant input. But yeah, it's a group effort.

 

And the Super Bowl was won by 3 points. Shows how close 8-8 is to the Super Bowl winner.

 

you realize he's the one building his team right? he's got alot more say so then most of you are thinking. do you think colbert just drafts whoever he wants and says make it work MT?

cowher had most of the input over our gm's that finally came to a head with the ousting of tom donahoe, and got his yes man in colbert. he was finally overuled by the rooney's about ben or we wouldn't have him, but for the most part he had most of the say so. that's the thing about the steelers, they don't overuse their owner status in that way.

i typed a warning back several years about our drafting with colbert and cowher and our drafting with tomlin and colbert. big difference. i said colbert won't be near as good drafting without cowher, because cowher made most of the picks his way. cowher just hated drafting qb's.

by the way if you read my first post on here i never said MT should be fired this year.

i will say one thing about MT, he said when he first got here and they compared him to cowher, he said he liked the chuck noll approach. he is trying to build his lines.

maybe it is colbert doing it all,but i doubt it. the detroit reject that brought the detroit reject head scout with him. way to many top draft picks not pulling their weight or getting second contracts.

 

Cowher missed the playoffs for 3 straight years and didn't get fired so Tomlin won't get fired if the Steelers struggle in 2013. This team needs to draft better in the later rounds for depth when the starters get injured. So if Cowher had won the Superbowl in 1992 would you say he won with Chuck Noll players stupid argument.

 

Cowher/Donahoe 1st round draft picks
Eric Green(4 years w/steelers)
Huey Richardson(2 years w/steelers)
Leon Searcy(4 years w/Steelers)
Deon Figures (3 years w/ steelers)
Charles Johnson (5 years w/ Steelers)
Mark Bruener (9 Years w/ Steelers w/ 152 receptions)
Jamain Stephens(3 years w/ Steelers)
Chad Scott (8 Years w/ Steelers)
Alen Faneca
Troy Edwards( 3 years w/ Steelers)


That's some outstanding drafting by Cowher and Donahoe.

 

All I can say is that you people are SADLY mistaken
if you do not think that Coach Cliche has ALOT of input
into who the STEELERS DRAFT. What football coach would let this happen?
This is funny.

 

as i said there was a big power struggle between these two. cowher won and then brought colbert in.

troy,heath,ben (which cowher didn't want),ike,hines,clark was brought in, farrior was brought in, jerome, casey, keisel,smith,faneca, parker, harrison, eric greene was brought in, brown was drafted ,earl holmes, porter, we can go on. drafts under cowher are still on this team and we are still making them the crux of the team.

we have timmons and pouncey and ziggy and heyward and AB, and some linemen and a couple of DB's and most of them are iffy as play making starters.

we lost one complete draft year if mendy goes.

we are in trouble in most area's. we don't have a single rb signed on the roster for next year. we have a partime OLB. we want to purge another. we may lose our starting cb. we will lose our top wr. we are still trying to find an ilb to play, so back will come the 33 year old guy that leaves alot to desire, with nobody still behind him.

we have a 2nd rd. guy in worilds that we don't know if he can take over after 4 years. if he does he's shown he's better on the side we already have our overpriced partimer.

troy is about one leap from pulling something and walking the sidelines again and clark was starting to show some signs of injury late last year. we have 2 UDFA's sitting behind them, and one of which has been a 3 year PS guy.

we've brought in????? wait for it!!!!!! plax,cotchery,suisham,woods,johnson,2 useless centers, a washed up RT for a year, a brittle bu qb, pope, and a partridge in a pear tree. where's all the upside to carry us forward?

 

If your okay with leaving Lefty in, than why did he say there was nothing wrong with Lefty after the game. Is he blind too.
The head has the authority to overrule the offensive or defensive play calling. That's on Haley and Tomlin to let it happen. By the way Tomlin never over rules the other coaches. Tomlin was one who benched all the running backs not Haley!

Yea he could be more forth right in his press conference and less the standard is the standard.

 

You can only do so much. There are forces that dont allow for certain things to happen. Take the running back fumbling and subsequent discipline as an example. Tomlin would probably like to have them put pads on and practice holding the ball high and tight but with the players contract you cant do that.. Clearly the players union and contract is making a huge difference in their overall preparedness and lack their of.

Bman

 

other teams are getting it done though.