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Justin Fields Pre 2 Analysis

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Thor, Aug 21, 2024.

  1. AskQuestionsLater

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    My point exactly.


    Coming into the league raw is one thing. Receiving little to no development from a dysfunctional Organization is another. Fields has had both and due to that, he is so far behind that it is fair to question will he ever put it all together.


    The optimist in me believes he can. I also can forsee him flaming out all together. We will have to wait and see.
     
  2. Arch Stanton

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    I can't fault you there, the Bears have been a graveyard for QB's. Hopefully a change of scenery will do Fields some good
     
  3. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    And we have a direct pipeline to Chicago to pick up their discarded qbs
     
  4. Blast Furnace

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    Yeah, those 4 plays were what we were getting from Pickett.

    If he doesn’t get it in year 4 he never will. I’m of the belief that you can learn the QB position given enough time. Problem is in the NFL, you are rarely afforded that time. He could possibly find himself in the unique position of being afforded that time but I think he might prove my theory wrong.

    I don’t know how that is possible, after 4 years how has he not seen coverages enough times to know what is going on.
     
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  5. S.T.D

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    Didn't a lot if people say thus about Trubisky, and Am I wrong to say Trubisky's best years were in Chicago, and not Pittsburgh, or Buffalo???
     
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  6. S.T.D

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    All I can say is.....during the game when this is actually going on live ....I'm saying these things, and being called a hater.
    1. I want Fields to get good. That fixes things for the Steelers for the next ten years.
    2. I don't see it happening.
    3. This is what I say about moat running Qb....they never have to learn until it too late.
    4. Why aren't people seeing this during the games, and only after someone breaks it down for them. Every time I said....Hey He missed a wide open guy, and He's looking to run too fast....I get......Your a hater. No....I just seen Him do it.
     
  7. Thor

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  8. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    LoL :thumbs_up:
     
  9. Hanratty#5

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    The Bears had HOF QB Sid Luckman back in the 1940's, All-Pro Billy Wade in the early 1960's and Jim McMahon back in the 80's. Other than that it has been a sorry lot of QB's in their history.
     
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  10. Arch Stanton

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    Other than Luckman and Wade, the Bears QB history has been bleak. McMahon was pretty average, he just had the good fortune of being surrounded by a lot of talent, and a pretty good head coach
     
  11. AskQuestionsLater

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    Bears with Trubisky vs Bears with Fields are two different time periods. Both though were failed by the Bears; Trubisky being failed by Matt Nagys ego and Fields being left hung to dry by the entire Organization as a whole. Again, I do believe that Fields may be out of time.


    However, I am not going to write him off for one major reason; time. Unlike Mitch, Fields hasnt been fully destroyed by Chicago. Mitch was by the time he left. How much time will be found out for Fields when he starts for the Steelers. I just hope that by then, Fields is in better standing.


    If not, start back to square one.
     
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  12. Bubbahotep

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    What does history tell you? The last Bears QB the Steelers grabbed ended worse. Not a good sign. I am not optimistic until proven otherwise.
     
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  13. Busman

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    Guys we could win with Tommy Maddox back in the day. Remember the 2002 wild card come from behind last minute win against Cleveland

    Keep the faith. Anything is possible :lolol::lolol::lolol::lolol:
     
  14. Steel_Elvis

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    A couple of other things about this video. First, this is a good primer on what “NFL open” means. He has receivers breaking into the clear all through this video, but it takes anticipation and timing for a QB to see them and connect. It takes an understanding of coverage, and where the defenders are heading vs. where your receivers are heading. It may not look open in a snapshot, but if an QB can process what he’s seeing pre-snap and immediately post-snap, the open areas in a zone and good/bad positioning vs. man become evident before the QB evens sets his feet. As an example, the QB should know that if he sees his receiver crossing behind an LB who is backpedaling to his zone, that his receiver will clear past the LB and into an open window. The QB can’t just see the “snapshot” when the defender is in front of the crosser and say “oh, that’s covered.” All of the top QBs see this. Fields seems to see almost none of it. Kenny Pickett seemed to see almost none of it. Fields was great in college at hitting guys who were “college open.” Seeing and throwing to a guy who is college open takes no anticipation because the receiver is beating his guy or is away from any zone defenders almost immediately. The deep post that he missed to the end zone was college open. College open receivers are rare in the NFL and a good QB needs to see guys who are NFL open - i.e. not open yet but will be in a second.

    Second, there’s a lot of blame being placed on the blockers, and rightly so in many cases. However, digging deep into the tape shows that Fields is leaving early and leaving easy completions on the field. In many cases his leaving early makes the pass protection look worse than it really is.

    I really want Fields to be successful as our QB. Getting a franchise QB with a conditional late round pick would be amazing for the franchise. I have huge doubts. Our reality with Fields will more likely be feast or famine on a play by play basis, and you hope that the feasts outweigh the famine enough to win. His raw athleticism will generate big plays. Will they be enough?
     
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  15. Arch Stanton

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    You've definitely got that right about college open vs NFL open. The game is moving much faster, and the windows are much smaller in the NFL. A good NFL QB has the ability see when his receiver will be open, and deliver the ball to him pretty quickly. All the best NFL QB's are able to do this on a consistent basis, something that Fields has struggled with. Can he improve in this area significantly with the Steelers? It's not impossible, but that seems to be a talent that you either have or don't have straight out of college.
     
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  16. Blast Furnace

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    I agree with all of this except for one nitpick. The receiver he “overthrew” pulled up on his route, then double stepped trying to adjust before making a desperate leap. If he continues running his route I believe thats a TD. If we are talking about the same play.

    It’s troubling though that JT said Fields never throws with anticipation. Those two early plays he broke down should have been easy reads for Fields.

    Still hoping the lightbulb goes on and Arth can turn him around.
     
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  17. CK 13

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    Was that the run where he went down the left side near the sidelines? He was holding the ball on his right side by his legs and while he was running his arm was moving outward. He didn't change hands while he ran to the sidelines. Or didn't tuck it in. Could have easily been slapped out!

    You can see why he had 38 fumbles losing 11 in Chicago.
     
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  18. Hanratty#5

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    Yeah you learn in your first year of PeeWee football that you always carry the ball towards the sidelines but I have noticed in the last couple of years that more and more ball carriers aren't switching the ball to their outside arm. Just like tackling and other basic things aren't being taught anymore.
     
  19. AskQuestionsLater

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    Agree to disagree.
     
  20. shaner82

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    Teams don't give away top notch starting QB's. The fact we got 2 QB's just given to us says a lot about their abilities.
    It's going to take strong defence, a strong running game, good blocking and just good all around team play to get us to be a contender.
     
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  21. Born2Steel

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    Defense is very good.
    Run game should also be very good.
    I like our chances.
     
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  22. Bubbahotep

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    Spot on. If a QB can't see the play presnap he's either got to guess at the defense (leading to a bunch of INTs or incompletions) or he's waiting and taking a sack, or scrambling. A QB has about 15 seconds to read a defense presnap, and less than 3 post snap. Which is the easier task?
    It's not an easily measured trait, but 'spacial recognition ' is a big deal playing football. In fact, some services are popping up that are attempting to sell a metric to the NFL for QB draft profiles.
     
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  23. Steelresolve

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    He can’t see the field and he can’t go through his progressions. Were not the right team to develop him. He would be an excellent backup at Miami where traditionally you only have to throw to your first read because there almost always open.
     
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  24. Hanratty#5

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    Speaking of the Dolphins they just signed Anthony McFarland. So if you see someone wearing an aqua and orange jersey and muttering about a scat offense that would be PWP.
     
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  25. Steelresolve

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    They have their system in place and they know what they want. Its all about the speed. One speed back goes down just plug in another one.
     

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