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Kaboly: Camp winners and losers

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jun 17, 2024.

  1. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    wishful thinking maybe for this year. Did not do much, look good at OTA's.

    cannot pencil him in for ANYTHING for 2024 season, IMO.
     
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  2. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Personally i would take Allen over these 2 any day of the week. Also could you imagine if Allen had the defense that Wilson had for them 2 superbowls?
     
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  3. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Wow,you hate Josh Allen because of his style too?!...This is crazy!...I would love like crazy to have Allen as the steelers QB right now....And in 2014,the seahawks have been in the super bowl despite Wilson....He had 4 interceptions vs packers.Yes he was a very good QB in Seattle but don't give all the credit on Wilson....The Bills defense can't contain Mahomes in the playoffs,even when he had only 13 seconds left up 36-33 like the 2021 season
     
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  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    But wait, I thought the most recent season was the only relevant one?

    Ok, so then you admit you are cherry picking seasons when talking about Trubisk because you always wipe away his overall record. Glad we cleared that up.

    The fact is, Allen fumbles a lot, Wilson fumbled the same amount as Fields last season. Those are facts. Another fact is Fields has shown improvement in ball security with last season being his best year.

    I’m sure if Wilson fumbles 10 times again this year you won’t care because over the course of his career it hasn’t been an issue.
     
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  5. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Paging Ben paging Ben paging for Ben to come back
     
  6. Thor

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    Career numbers (games/ fumbles/ fumbles per game)
    Wilson: 188 / 103 / 0.55
    Fields: 40 / 38 / 0.95
    Allen: 94 / 59 / 0.64

    Last three years
    Wilson: 44 / 22 / 0.50
    Fields: 40 / 38 / 0.95
    Allen: 50 / 28 / 0.56

    2023
    Wilson: 15 / 10 / 0.67
    Fields: 13 / 10 / 0.77
    Allen: 17 / 7 / 0.41

    And finally..

    Career
    Roethlisberger: 249 / 115 / 0.46

    ..but he hasn't had a single one over the last two years.
     
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  7. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    TOMLIN has won 3 playoff games in 13 years he deserves most of the blame he gets. Are you another one who doesn’t fault the HEAD COACH for any of this ineptitude?
     
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  8. Brice

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  9. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    Ben had 326 turnovers. 115 fumbles, 211 picks. :cool:
     
  11. S.T.D

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    What the hell You talking about....1. I've always said Trubisky sucks, but I've also said He played better in Chicago than in Buffalo, and in Pittsburgh (You Fields fan better remember that).
    I specifically said Nobody fumbles once a game, and keeps their job, and You brought up J. Allen....I showed the number, and even though I don't like J. Allen....it's not even close....so to hide Your mistakes you are bringing up now Trubisky....who's next???
     
  12. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    10 less turnovers for Ben that HOF Brett Favre had interception
     
  13. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry Your a kid, and still think that because a guy can run this make Him a great Qb....l can always tell from the guys that act like this is new....Like there hasn't always been Qbs that could do this, and Yet....the Qb that win SBs are the Guys that can still play from the pocket the best.
     
  14. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Not because you can run,you can't play in the pocket....Allen can do both!
     
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  15. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Not greatly. He's a better runner than passer, and don't give me stats. When it counts, and gets hard He converts to a RB, and doesn't see the field well. Nobody would run for 60 yards when You can throw 60 yards way easier, and without the punishment. I don't give a dang how fast you are....I'm not even a Qb, but I can throw 40 yards faster than anyone can run it.
     
  16. Steelersfan43

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    You would have a different argument if Mahomes would not be in the NFL, because he is the biggest reason why Allen and the Bills have not been in the super bowl yet. Allen had been great in his matchups, especially in the last 2 playoff games vs chiefs but their head coach is outcoached by Andy Reid like crazy every playoff game

    And the other time you considered Steve McNair (at least when he was in the super bowl in 1999) and McNabb as more of a passer than a runner, but that's not the case for Allen... It's very weird
     
  17. Steel the Win on Sunday

    Steel the Win on Sunday Well-Known Member

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    Let's put it in perspective. Tomlin won 3 times in the last 8 trips to the playoffs. To be realistic, we had no chance against the Bills without TJ last year, or against the Chiefs with an aging Ben Roethlisberger. Ben completely came apart against the Browns, and the bad snap by Pouncy pretty much doomed them from the get-go. Yes, they should have beaten the Jaguars, so we can fault Tomlin in part for that one. But making a blanket statement that Tomlin can't win in the playoffs ignores the reality of the factors involved in those particular matchups.
     
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  18. steelersrule6

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    Last I checked it was Ben who threw those 4 interceptions against the Browns in the playoffs, and Pouncey with a bad snap on the first play of the game, But coach lost us the game :facepalm:.
     
  19. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    There was no need to rush him back for OTAs, if he's healthy he will contribute.
     
  20. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    did he play here? missed that. :cool:
     
  21. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    on a side note, who has mahomes #2 WR been the last 5 seasons? or #1 for that matter?

    the bills and josh allen and we can throw in the guy from south west ohio with all the big name WR's couldn't get through KC. not just mahomes there either. the bills and bengals were loaded with talent on those teams. we had the best WR, ben and the best RB in the league and won nothing with them. it is a team game and coaching does go a long way in the use of talent that you have. what has tomlin won without cowhers players? i hate using that statement but really what has he won with his draft picks? :cool:
     
  22. DJ18Baller

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    Isn't Tomlin a supposed defensive guru? You want me to give you the stats on our defense recently in the playoffs? Trust me you don’t.
     
  23. DJ18Baller

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    And the defense still gave up a ton of points yards and 3rd down conversions. I guess they all gave up after Pounceys snap :facepalm:
     
  24. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    Here is what Tomlin has won since Cowhers players he drafted and developed retired….. Jack ****.
     
  25. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Defense matter....Remember the Jaguars game in the playoffs....Yes Ben had 2 turnovers but the steelers defense had been garbage in this game...They were so soft against Fournette and the Jaguars offense were far to be the best in the league...I mean they score only 10 points in the wild card game...The others playoffs game,Bell or Browns have been out for a combined 4 playoffs games in 2014 and 2015 and in 2016,who was the second best WR?...Or their best TE?

    For the Bills,just look at 2021,they were up 36-33 with only 13 seconds left after the second TD in the final 2 minutes by Allen but he did not touch the ball again for the rest of the game....Can't put it on Allen...Last year,the Bills defense were garbage for 3 quarter and the chiefs defense had been elite all year long...Their kicker had miss the FG late in the game to tie this game at 27-27 but even if he would make this FG,no way the Bills defense would make a stop

    For the bengals,they have been very close in 2021 and 2022...Only one team can win the super bowl per year
     

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